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 Blinds, Tony V, 9. Dec 2002 11:19 | ||
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| Hi, I just started playing hold-em $2/4. My question(s) is: when people leave a game and there is an empty seat it seems like sometimes there is $1 on the button and 2 BB's, etc. Can you please help me better understand when these extra ante's must take place, and why? Thank you | ||
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| Re: Blinds, Lin Sherman, 10. Dec 2002 06:33 | ||
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| There are two sets of rules for moving the button and posting the blind: the Forward Moving Button Rule and the Dead Button Rule. Some cardrooms use one rule and other cardrooms use the other. It sounds like your cardroom is using the Forward Moving Button Rule, which is too complicated for me to explain on very little sleep. Basically, it ensures that there are always at least two blinds and that the button is never in an empty seat. But sometimes it winds up with three blinds, and sometimes the small blind will be on the button. There are even scenarios where the small blind winds up to the right of the button! The best thing to do is just let the dealer and more experienced dealers keep it straight. Eventually you'll get the hang of it. The Dead Button Rule, which is slow taking over because it's simpler, especially in short-handed games and tournaments, is easy to explain. The button always moves to the seat that was (or should have been) the small blind on the previous hand. This means sometimes there's no player in the button or small blind position, in which case the dealer announces "dead button" or "dead small blind". When the small blind is dead, the only blind posted is the big blind (excluding kill blinds or blinds posted by players entering or re-entering the game). Lin | ||
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| Re: Blinds, NiceFella, 19. Dec 2002 22:45 | ||
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| OK, hang on, I'll try to explain as best I understand it. I hope it won't be too hard to follow. Assume we just finished a hand with player #1 on the button, player #2 on the small blind, and player #3 on the big blind. For the next hand, the dealer reaches to move the button to player #2. However, player #2 decides this is a good time to leave, and we are left without a player. The dealer must advance the button to the next available player, which is player #3. If player #2 had not left, player #3 would have been on the small blind and player #4 would have been on the big blind. But since player #2 is gone and the button is on player #3, this means that now player #4 is on the small blind and player #5 becomes the big blind. But wait, what's happened isn't fair! Player #3 now is on the button and gets out of paying his small blind! And player #4 misses his big blind and gets away with paying only a small blind! To avoid this "cheapskating" the casino requires players #3 and #4 to post the blinds they would have posted had not player #2 run off. So we end up with a small blind being paid by #3 on the button and two big blinds being paid by #4 and #5. Another way to say this is that every player must post a big blind and then a small blind as the button approaches, even if a player leaves and makes the button skip a spot. If you carefully watch what individual players are posting in this confusing situation, you'll see that each player ends up posting exactly one big blind and one small blind, and the button ends up in the right place in the end. Confused? NiceFella | ||
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