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 READ ALOT--WIN A LITTLE, Christian, 8. Dec 2002 12:38 | ||
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| I have been playing poker for about a year now. I usually play in low-limit "Thursday Night" style poker games $1/$2. No one ever wins or loses more than twenty bucks in one night. I've read several books on poker from general stratagy to Mike's Book of Tells, and I also have the videos on tells as well. I think that I am a pretty decent player, as I almost always win or break even, but I feel that I'm not close to being as good as I could be. I am the only one who has studied poker yet I am not much better than the others who haven't read or watched anything. Is there anything I can do to really get good, so that I am the best player in my group? | ||
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| Re: READ ALOT--WIN A LITTLE, Ashley Adams, 8. Dec 2002 13:05 | ||
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| on 8. Dec 2002 12:38 Christian wrote: > I have been playing poker for about a year now. I usually play in low-limit > "Thursday Night" style poker games $1/$2. No one ever wins or loses more than > twenty bucks in one night. I've read several books on poker from general > stratagy to Mike's Book of Tells, and I also have the videos on tells as well. I > think that I am a pretty decent player, as I almost always win or break even, > but I feel that I'm not close to being as good as I could be. I am the only one > who has studied poker yet I am not much better than the others who haven't read > or watched anything. Is there anything I can do to really get good, so that I am > the best player in my group? It's hard to give an accurate answer without knowing more about your particular situation. But here are some of the things I usually start with when I tutor poker students about home games. Pay attention to the structure of the game and the style of your opponents and adjust to it. If they are relatively loose and a lot of money goes in early, you can loosen up too. This is especially useful if you can outplay your opponents by either intimidating them or reading them well. I've found that in home games, the key to moving from consistent small winner to bigger winner is playing more hands -- but playing them carefully. Don't waste aggression designed to thin the field on players who call unless you have much the best of it or have a very good draw. Good, but not excellent home game players are often too aggressive when they have a thin edge -- when more passive play would be the better route. An example that comes to mind is in a really loose 7-Stud game. It may not pay to raise with your pair of Jacks with a weak kicker. Let everyone enter the pot without your raise -- if your raise won't knock many people out. Then use your position and reraising or check raising to thin the field on Fourth Street (or get out if you don't improve and they seem to). Mechanical play which works OK with the tighter casino players often is self defeating in loosey-goosey home games where you need relatively better hands to win multi-way showdowns. Think through the wilder games and develop appropriate strategies for them. Then, call those wilder games more frequently. Too often, good but not great casino players think that the only way their skill can win them the money is by playing the casino games they have become familiar with. So they discourage the loose, wild games more often enjoyed by players new to poker. This is a big mistake. While it's true that they'll have an advantage with the conventional games, they'll have an even bigger advantage if they play unconventional games well. You'll make much more money from 8 Card Stud, Hi Low Declare with a twist and a buy than you will from 7-Card Stud...if you can master the former as well as you have mastered the latter. There are no books to learn the former -- but if you can out-think your opponents when it comes to poker strategy then you should apply it to the wilder games for more profit. A good example is something as seemingly simple as Hi-Lo declare Draw. There is a huge dealer advantage that your less sophisticated opponents will probably not pick up on. If you've thought about the implications of the draw relative to what players are likely to declare, you should be able to win money from this game even if you play it blind. That's what I'm talking about. Enough for now. Email me if you have any other questions about this. Ashley Adams | ||
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| Re: READ ALOT--WIN A LITTLE, Christian, 8. Dec 2002 16:54 | ||
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| Thanks for the help. I do have a couple more questions, but I'm not sure how to get yor email address. If you'd be willing to tell me more I'd appreciate it. Thanks again. | ||
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| Re: READ ALOT--WIN A LITTLE, Ashley Adams, 8. Dec 2002 19:11 | ||
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| on 8. Dec 2002 16:54 Christian wrote: > Thanks for the help. I do have a couple more questions, but I'm not sure how to get yor > email address. If you'd be willing to tell me more I'd appreciate it. Thanks again. My email is asha34@aol.com. Please contact me if you'd like. Ashley Adams | ||
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| Re: READ ALOT--WIN A LITTLE, Lin Sherman, 9. Dec 2002 06:59 | ||
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| Low limit poker is mostly about putting money in the pot when you have an overlay and folding when you don't. So at this point in your development, the one thing that is likely to benefit your game more than anything else is a thorough grasp of poker odds. There are very useful sections on poker odds and gambling probability in The Theory of Poker and Getting the Best of It, both by David Sklansky. Lin | ||
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| Re: READ ALOT--WIN A LITTLE, Mr. Nuts, 12. Dec 2002 17:49 | ||
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| The first thing to do is be honest with yourself! You always win or break even? The best limit poker players in the world lose. There are a dozen or more books, many directed to low limit. Wilson's Turbo Tx> Holdem is a must if you are serious about the gme to any degree at all. Good Luck! | ||
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| Re: READ ALOT--WIN A LITTLE, noiseboy, 17. Jan 2003 15:42 | ||
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| Well, I've been playing Thursday night poker for years and there are some tricks to winning this style game. First, assuming dealer's choice, always pick a game where you will have best position throughout all betting rounds. If you bet later, you know more about the strength of other hands. Good games to choose are any variety of Draw poker or Hold'em. Also, wild card games increase luck and reduce the skill factor, so you want to have high starting hand requirements for these games. Usually, you need at least one wild card in your hand to make ANY hand worth playing, unless its a made hand. The main thing in any game, I have found, is to fold more than your opponents, but make them pay with lots of raises when you think you have the best hand. The main mistake made at these types of games is playing hands you shouldn't, hoping they will get better, and calling down "one more card" when someone is already beat. If you just exploit these two errors, you will be a winner in any weird game someone might call. One more thing, learn how to play Guts! You can really take people's money quickly (because of exponential pot growth) if you just play Aces with good kickers and pocket pairs. --Have fun! | ||
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| one more thing, noiseboy, 17. Jan 2003 15:59 | ||
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| Don't worry about buying books on specific games, unless you intend to specialize in something that you will call for you deal most of the time. A good book on general poker strategy, which has chapters dedicated to the common games will be money better spent. Once you have a grasp of concepts like betting odds (which someone mentioned earlier) and when it's worth it to draw out your opponent, you will have a good framework from which to analyze any type of game. Oh yeah, and don't slow play unless you hand is REALLY a monster, especially in games with wild cards, someone WILL catch you! Good luck. | ||
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