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 Pot-limit Omaha Hi- easy choice?, Zeno, 30. Nov 2002 11:12 | ||
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| 5/10 PLO-hi. Game varies but usually passive preflop but aggressive after. Lose aggressive player raises (LA), tight player reraises (TP), Rock then rerasies. All occur up front in succession. Everyone else folds to you in BB. It is ~ $500 to call. Rock is almost all in; he has some red chips left ~ $80. LA has $1,500 left. TP has about $800 left. You have $3,300 and a hand of AAKJ double suit. What's your Play? Results to follow. | ||
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| Re: Pot-limit Omaha Hi- easy choice?, Jim Rankin, 1. Dec 2002 22:57 | ||
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| Very interesting hand. Although you have about as good a preflop hand as you'll get in omaha, it is not a nobrainer due to the prior reraises by the tight player and the rock. Your other two aces are likely to be busy, and some of your paint helpers are also presumably dead. That means that if all three players are in for the flop you probably need to make one of your flushes or get a board with mostly paint that makes a broadway without making someone else a flush. Of course you might escape for at least half the pot if total rags come. But you do have to play it as though you are drawing (as is almost always true in omaha). One question is do you have the option of raising, or is it a three raise limit? If you can only call or fold, I'd probably call knowing I was drawing, and be ready to lay it down if I don't hit the flop. And I certainly would not think it was a particularly bad beat if I lost the 500. If you do have the option of raising, it seems to me that the best play largely depends on how your opponents will react to your action. The rest of this assumes you have the option of reraising. Based on your knowledge of them, what will the loose agressive and the tight player do if you come over the top and set them all in? If the tight player at least will lay it down, you might want to gamble with the loose player and the rock, and raise, and if both players with chips will likely run you don't mind being head up with the rock with your hand, so clearly you' want to raise. But if they both call, any middle board that comes probably beats you unless you make one of your flushes. . If you just call, will it freeze the action? Or will the loose player decide to gamble and put himself all in? Then what will the "tight" player do? And what will you do? Without knowing your opponents, it's hard to say what I'd do (if I have the raise option), but in the absence of that knowledge I guess I'd still suggest calling rather than raising, hoping that I could see what flops for $500. on 30. Nov 2002 11:12 Zeno wrote: > 5/10 PLO-hi. Game varies but usually passive preflop but aggressive after. Lose > aggressive player raises (LA), tight player reraises (TP), Rock then rerasies. > All occur up front in succession. Everyone else folds to you in BB. It is ~ $500 > to call. Rock is almost all in; he has some red chips left ~ $80. LA has $1,500 > left. TP has about $800 left. You have $3,300 and a hand of AAKJ double suit. > What's your Play? > > Results to follow. > | ||
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| Re: Pot-limit Omaha Hi- easy choice?, Jim Rankin, 2. Dec 2002 10:21 | ||
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| A small addendum. I did not mention the "position factor", because the remaining opponents only have chips for one bet after the flop, assuming you did not set them all in preflop. You do have the worst position, but it won't really matter much, since the flop will almost certainly get bet no matter what it is if your other two opponents are live, by you or one of them. If one or both were as deep as you, you might want to give serious consideration to folding preflop rather than risk your whole stack out of position. | ||
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| Re: Pot-limit Omaha Hi- Results, Zeno, 2. Dec 2002 19:36 | ||
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| Thanks for the thoughtful respones Jim. There is no limit on the number of raises and I did Reraise. My initial thought was That I needed to get heads up with the Rock. I called the $500 and raised another $1,000 in Bills. The LA folded AND the TP also folded. I think the TP folded because he was trying to isolate the LA player with a raise on a marginal holding, knowing that the LA could have a very wide range of hands. He did not count on running into two other monster hands behind him. The rock put in his last $80 and it is anticlimatic after that as the flop was 2,3,6, Turn 4, and River another 6; no flush possible. I split the pot with the Rock as his hand was AAJ3 double suited also (he had diamonds and clubs and I had hearts and spades ). The LA player would have won the pot (Trip sixes) if I had not of reraised and knocked him out (essentially making him play for all his money preflop -so he folded). But one of the reasons I posted this hand is to mention that in similar circumstances, if the roles were reversed, would I have played for all my money. (You touched on this in your post). For example, say you were the TP and reraise the LA with a decent hand like TT98, or JJT9 double suited. Would this hand be worth another $800 all in call preflop against two players, one all in for ~$600, knowing that you were probably against Aces with big side cards in both hands? Or to put a different spin on it. If there were large raises and reraises ahead of you and you had 1) position and on the entire field. 2) you are very certain that the up front players all have large cards (Aces, picture cards down to maybe Tens). 3) you think that you will get 2 to 1, or 3 to 1 on your money preflop 4) The money is deep for everyone, and 5) You figure that many of the larger cards are accounted for in the other hands thus making the deck "overloaded" with mid to small cards - would you play a hand like 9876, or 8876 etc. for say half your stack, preflop. You should be able to play the hand "perfectly" postflop especially if everyone else figures to have the large cards locked up. There are many other qualifiers, as your table read on the players etc, and other possibilities can be also be thought up. For example, what hand would you like to have to play for half your stack in the above circumstances and so on. Any comments on the above. -Zeno | ||
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| Re: Pot-limit Omaha Hi- Results, Jim Rankin, 2. Dec 2002 22:26 | ||
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| Glad to hear you were able to run the live hands out.. If I'd been in the tight player's shoes with something like 6-7-8-9 I'd have to call your raise, if I know that the rock you described has to have AA to put his money in. I really like that kind of hand once you come back over the top. As you point out you are getting close to 3-1 on your money and you know that the two hands with aces are counterfeiting each other. You really read him right as a "tight player" :-). | ||
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