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 Advice From Pros., TheManWhoCan, 29. Nov 2002 11:49 | ||
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| I'm am looking for advice from anyone who playes Poker Professionally. I have an extensive backround in Poker already at 17, and am considering playing poker as a career choice. I am very serious about this and if I decide to do this, it will be my way of life. Considering that i'm 17, I still have 2 years before I can actually start playing in a casino, and I have started saving money to live on my own when the time comes. Aside from that, I am also putting together a bankroll of at least $5000 before going and playing professionally. I'm not trying to do this to get money fast so I can be rich. I'm doing this so I can survive. I'm not looking to be the best, just good enough to play poker and function as a person in society. I have spent countless hours practicing and reading books about the game and so far, I have not encountered anyone who can beat me in a serious game of poker. So I'm looking for people who play professionally to give me some advice about how I can extend my skills as a poker player, and how hard would it be to make a living off of playing poker. Thanks to anyone who responds. TheManWhoCan | ||
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| Re: Advice From Pros., Andrew Wells, 29. Nov 2002 11:58 | ||
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| See thread started by Archaon 11/27/02 | ||
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| Re: Advice From Pros., TheManWhoCan, 29. Nov 2002 12:06 | ||
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| yeah, actually we know each other and practice together all the time, I just was not aware of the other topic... | ||
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| Re: Advice From Pros., Daniel Negreanu, 30. Nov 2002 03:22 | ||
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| Don't do it. At least not yet anyway. If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't have started playing poker till I was much older. I started around the same time as you, and played professionally by the time I was 18. Was done with school, and done with being a kid at the age of 18? You are young now so poker still seems like a fun, exciting and easy way to make a living. I promise you it's not all that fun after 10 years, it's not all that exciting after 10 years, and it's NEVER easy. If you are a good poker player, there is no way you couldn't use that ability to make you waaay more money in other ventures. Poker is a bad business. Why? Well for starters, you earn ZERO residual income. That means, that in order for to to make money, YOU have to put in the hours, for the REST OF YOUR LIFE! Ask yourself, do you really want to be 55 years old and still grinding it out in the live games trying to keep up with your bills? Poker will age you in a hurry if you are not careful. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with supplementing your income through poker, but you don't want to have to depend on it solely to pay your bills. Here is a scary stat for you: How many people do you think (of the poker playing population) actually become truly successful by playing poker alone? How's 0.5% sound to you? If you have the time, check out a column I wrote for Card Player entitled 'Should I Turn Pro?' Daniel Negreanu kidpoker@hotmail.com www.fullcontactpoker.com | ||
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| Re: Advice From Pros., LuckyOne, 12. Dec 2002 12:57 | ||
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| I am a fifty something retired school teacher andI love poker, and am making money at it, but I wouldn't dream that I would put my family's security solely on poker. Get a career that you can enjoy, live within your means and you will be amazed that you can retire early enough to enjoy doing what you love by just needing to BREAK EVEN...MUCH LESS STRESS! ANd you can't gamble with scared money. ..I can't tell you how many young pros I clean our because they are gambling with the rent money! | ||
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| Re: Advice From Pros., jEROME95, 13. Dec 2002 03:46 | ||
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| I have socal security jEROME on 12. Dec 2002 12:57 LuckyOne wrote: > I am a fifty something retired school teacher andI love poker, and am making money at it, > but I wouldn't dream that I would put my family's security solely on poker. > > Get a career that you can enjoy, live within your means and you will be amazed that you > can retire early enough to enjoy doing what you love by just needing to BREAK EVEN...MUCH > LESS STRESS! > > ANd you can't gamble with scared money. ..I can't tell you how many young pros I clean > our because they are gambling with the rent money! | ||
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| Re: Advice From Pros., jEROME95, 13. Dec 2002 03:51 | ||
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| Poker can be a bitch. I'm a "pro" jEROME on 30. Nov 2002 03:22 Daniel Negreanu wrote: > > Don't do it. At least not yet anyway. If I had to do it all over again, I > wouldn't have started playing poker till I was much older. I started around the same > time as you, and played professionally by the time I was 18. > > Was done with school, and done with being a kid at the age of 18? You are young > now so poker still seems like a fun, exciting and easy way to make a living. I > promise you it's not all that fun after 10 years, it's not all that exciting after 10 > years, and it's NEVER easy. > > If you are a good poker player, there is no way you couldn't use that ability to > make you waaay more money in other ventures. Poker is a bad business. Why? > > Well for starters, you earn ZERO residual income. That means, that in order for > to to make money, YOU have to put in the hours, for the REST OF YOUR LIFE! Ask > yourself, do you really want to be 55 years old and still grinding it out in the live > games trying to keep up with your bills? > > Poker will age you in a hurry if you are not careful. Having said that, there is > nothing wrong with supplementing your income through poker, but you don't want to > have to depend on it solely to pay your bills. > > Here is a scary stat for you: How many people do you think (of the poker playing > population) actually become truly successful by playing poker alone? How's 0.5% > sound to you? > > If you have the time, check out a column I wrote for Card Player entitled 'Should > I Turn Pro?' > > Daniel Negreanu > kidpoker@hotmail.com > www.fullcontactpoker.com | ||
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| Re: Advice From Pros., Piers Majestyk, 13. Dec 2002 09:52 | ||
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| I would suggest you give online poker a shot at the lower limits and see how you do. Be honest with yourself about your results. You will probably find out that it's a lot tougher than you think. I have played professionally for the last 8 years and managed to feed three kids and finish a doctorate in biology solely on poker earnings so it can be done but only if you have a tremendous amount of discipline and only if you play your best game all of the time. I also have several very bright friends that have asked me to help them to do what I do and none of them have been able to do so. It's not from lack of preparation on their part or lack of instruction on mine it's simply they don't have the the many intangible things that are necessary to be a successful poker player and as Daniel says there are not many that do. Read all the poker books out there. They alone won't make you a winning player but people like Caro, Malmuth, Sklansky, Cooke and Brunson have so many important insights and thoughts that it would take years for you to learn on your on and without them you are seriously limiting yourself in the beginning. As an ending I will tell you the most serious problem I had when I first began playing for a living so hopefully you won't happen to you. I have always hated losing at anything so I learned to perform at levels necessary to limit this from happening at sports or otherwise. I have a tremendous heart in competition be it a game of checkers or one on one basketball. If you beat me you earned it. That can be a detriment in poker if you let it. When the poker gods saw fit to desert me as they do all of us in a particular session I would play some marathon sessions (over 60 hours in one) just to get even. You can't play your best game when half the time you're nodding off into your cup of coffee and the guy next to you has to wake you up every other hand. As Daniel says play hours and not results, if you are a winning player it doesn't matter if you are losing in a particular session. Finally a nugget from Caro, "Among similarly skilled opponents, the player with most discipline is the favorite." Good luck in your foray. | ||
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