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 a $5-10 hand, Mark, 25. Nov 2002 12:06 | ||
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| I'm in an average $5-10 game. Not extremely loose but everyone else is playing a few too many hands. The game is fairly passive and as far as I know, only one opponent is willing to make moves on people. I've got a good read on all of the players. I've got a rock solid image and have been able to steal some pots because of it. The SB is fairly new to our table and seems pretty tight. I get JJ in middle position. One limper, I raise. Folded to the button who 3 bets, SB calls, I call. 11 small bets in the pot FLOP - A, J, 6 rainbow SB checks, I bet, both call. 7 big bets in the pot. TURN - K BOARD A, J, 6, K SB bets. Since the SB could have started with a wide range of hands and came out betting the turn, I don't believe she has Q-10. AK or AJ are much more likely (i think). AA or KK would have 4 bet pre-flop. I don't think the SB would cold call 3 bets out of position with JK or Q-10. And Q-10 should probably check here or on the river. I raise figuring I am probably up against 2 pair and have some where between 7 and 9 outs for Js full, just in case. I think the raise also defines all the hands at this point. The button folds, SB calls. 11Big bets in the pot RIVER - 5 The button stares straight at me with wide eyes, trying to look unscared, and bets. I take this for a tell and call, loosing to Q-10 (the nuts). Should I have played it different? I think the pot was big enough to justify a call on the river. Mark | ||
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| Re: a $5-10 hand, Piers, 25. Nov 2002 14:16 | ||
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| I think you played fine and gained an extra BB curtsy of the SB not repoping the turn. I would have lost another SB by four betting the flop. | ||
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| Re: a $5-10 hand, Vincent Merlino, 25. Nov 2002 22:27 | ||
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| What can you do? When people in the blinds chase you down with Q-10 and then chase the gutshout on the flop it sucks but thats how you have to play the hand because your gonna get the money the majority of the time. I probably would have check-raised the flop especially when an ace came out. The button might have gone for a steal from around back and then you could have really put it to him. It could have worked out like this. Same flop: SB Checks You Check Button Bets(Steal) SB Calls You raise At this point either the button is going to fold or re-raise. If the button three-bets then the SB is a real idiot if he calls. Either way I think your getting the best of it with this play on the flop. Sorry about the beating they put on you but your style will prove to be the best! | ||
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| Re: a $5-10 hand, Dave Scharf, 25. Nov 2002 14:36 | ||
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| You played the hand just fine. Burned by the minefield of low-limit poker. I have a couple of other comments for you. "I've got a rock solid image and have been able to steal some pots because of it" I am skeptical of this. Not that you aren't "rock solid"... you may well be. I am skeptical that almost anybody else has noticed. In fact, in the hand you describe a player you figure for being "pretty tight" cold calls two... and you are the first raise. He hasn't got one opinion about your cards. "The SB is fairly new to our table and seems pretty tight" Evidentaly, you were wrong in this assement. He isn't "tight" by my definition if he calls 2 1/2 bets cold with a hand as weak as QT. If I see a player make that play I immediately assume that he is a typical low limit fish. He will play ANY two cards above 10, ANY suited ace, ANY suited connectors, ANY pocket pair and he will play them each for ANY amount of bets. That is the sort of player that fills up games from 5-10 and down. The bottom line is that the hand demonstrates where the profit in most low limit games comes from... beating players who play badly. In hold'em, of course, the bad players almost always have outs and they hit them with fair frequency. The result is (usually) high variance highly profitable games that are easy but frustrating. Dave Scharf www.canadianpoker.com | ||
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| Re: a $5-10 hand, Andrew Wells, 25. Nov 2002 19:52 | ||
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| I assume you meant that the player in the small blind gave you the stare on the river. She cost herself an extra $10 by not reraising you on the turn with the current nuts. I suppose she then realized that you weren't going to allow any sort of checkraise on the river. It's very hard to lay down a set in this spot, and I wouldn't have either. However, you assumed that she would have four bet with AA or KK before the flop, and that's not necessarily so. There are times when I don't take it to four bets preflop with those big wired pairs, and this would have been one of them out of the small blind. Primarily because the button reraised, and I want to keep the hand disguised for the moment. Also because I don't want the pot to get much larger at this point, such that there may be enough in there for someone to have implied odds on the flop to call two bets cold with a gut shot or bottom pair. By smooth calling out of the small blind with AA or KK in that spot, I can force those type of hands to fold or make a mistake calling two bets cold when I checkraise on the flop. I still would have paid off on the end as the pot is big enough for the chance she had AK, but I wouldn't have been surprised to see a big set. I would also discount those outs to fill up when you're bet into on the turn, and figure you have effectively seven. It's likely one or more of the aces or kings are in her hand or in the button's hand. I'd rather take my chances with the unimproved set than hit on the river with an ace or a king. | ||
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| Re: a $5-10 hand, ScroogeMcd, 26. Nov 2002 15:34 | ||
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| I think you played the hand well. The decision to bet out or check raise on the flop is debateable and depends on the propesitiy of the preflop raiser to bet after three betting preflop. Alot of players will bet in this spot everytime regardless of what the hold against such a raiser I would check raise and catch the other opponent in the middle. However betting is a fine alternate line of player as the preflop raiser may raise with an ace and allow you to make it three bets. On the turn card I think your raise is clearly correct for the reasons you state, you likely hold the best hand and if you don't u hold ten outs. When your opponent just calls the raise on the turn card you have to assume your hand is good. You saved an extra bet on the river, even given a strong tell I would have raised the river given my opponents failure to 3 bet the turn card unless I was against an extremely intimidated opponent who would only bet the nuts on the river. | ||
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