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 How bad did I play this hand?, Mano, 21. Nov 2002 15:40 | ||
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| Playing in a 5/10 game with a kill, killed pot. UTG has the kill and posts 10, weak player limps, I raise with Ks Kh, button calls, BB UTG and weak player all call. Flop comes Kc 8c 9c, checked to me, I bet button raises, folded to me, I call. Button seems to be pretty solid player (I saw him finish 2nd in 60 person tourney earlier that evening). I am reading him for either a pocket pair or a big club. If I re-raise and he is weak, I believe he will fold. Is not re-raising here a terrible play? Turn comes 2h. I check, he bets, I call. My thinking is I will not be able to bet him off of a big club, and if a club doesn't drop on the river or I fill up I will try for a check raise. Again, is not betting or raising here awful? The river comes 4d. I check, he bets, I raise, he calls. Comments? Results: I take down the pot with my set of Kings. He disgustedly throws 4s 4c down face up. As it turns out, I was risking the pot to a club when a raise on the flop or the turn would have probably dropped him. Thinking back on this, I probably played this badly. Any comments are welcome. | ||
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| Re: How bad did I play this hand?, Lee Vaughn, 21. Nov 2002 18:40 | ||
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| I think the check-raise on the turn would be the play, with re-raising on the flop being a close second. You took down the pot which is good, but you gave him a good chance to draw out on you. Lee on 21. Nov 2002 15:40 Mano wrote: > Playing in a 5/10 game with a kill, killed pot. UTG has the kill and posts 10, > weak player limps, I raise with Ks Kh, button calls, BB UTG and weak player all > call. Flop comes Kc 8c 9c, checked to me, I bet button raises, folded to me, I > call. Button seems to be pretty solid player (I saw him finish 2nd in 60 person > tourney earlier that evening). I am reading him for either a pocket pair or a > big club. If I re-raise and he is weak, I believe he will fold. Is not > re-raising here a terrible play? > > Turn comes 2h. I check, he bets, I call. My thinking is I will not be able to > bet him off of a big club, and if a club doesn't drop on the river or I fill up > I will try for a check raise. Again, is not betting or raising here awful? > > The river comes 4d. I check, he bets, I raise, he calls. Comments? > > > Results: > I take down the pot with my set of Kings. He disgustedly throws > 4s 4c down face up. As it turns out, I was risking the pot to a club when a > raise on the flop or the turn would have probably dropped him. Thinking back on > this, I probably played this badly. Any comments are welcome. | ||
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| Re: How bad did I play this hand?, Andrew Wells, 21. Nov 2002 19:32 | ||
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| It's not usually a good idea to play top set slowly. Especially with the suited board, I would pop him back on the flop. Now if he four bets, then I call and bet again on the turn if blank. Checkraise would have been fine on the turn after you let him take control of the hand. The pot is big enough that you don't mind if he folds right there. I probably would have just led out on the river, not knowing if he would fire one more time. It does looks like you got the most out of him the way you played it since you caught him overplaying a weak hand. | ||
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| Re: How bad did I play this hand?, Mark, 22. Nov 2002 07:04 | ||
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| Andrew was right, he overplayed a very weak hand. But with that board I would tend to come out hard and put as many bets in early as possible. You also have a draw to a boat if the turn is another club. A check raise on the turn is also a good play. Not making him pay to see the turn or river was a bad play, even more so when you read him for a weaker hand than yours. Mark | ||
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| Re: How bad did I play this hand?, CapnD, 22. Nov 2002 09:14 | ||
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| Since you were out of position, you should have re-raised on the flop and been perfectly happy to take it down. With position, I would smooth call and raise on the turn if no club hits. | ||
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| Re: How bad did I play this hand?, Charles Kincy, 25. Nov 2002 00:08 | ||
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| I think I would've put more dough in on the flop and then take the lead. If he is a tough player capable of a bluff and gives me any resistance on the turn, I slow down but probably call all the way. I only consider laying down if the fourth club hits, and I probably don't if the pot has grown huge. That is, I'll take it as high as 3 bets myself on the flop, and I'll lead right back into him on the turn even if he capped the flop. If four raises are allowed, I think I back off the fourth raise on the flop. I won't three-bet the turn, either. I don't think you played it horribly, just not as well as you could've. | ||
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| Re: How bad did I play this hand?, Roy Cooke, 25. Nov 2002 11:23 | ||
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| Hi Mano My answers will be under the question. on 21. Nov 2002 15:40 Mano wrote: > Playing in a 5/10 game with a kill, killed pot. UTG has the kill and posts 10, > weak player limps, I raise with Ks Kh, button calls, BB UTG and weak player all > call. Flop comes Kc 8c 9c, checked to me, I bet button raises, folded to me, I > call. Button seems to be pretty solid player (I saw him finish 2nd in 60 person > tourney earlier that evening). I am reading him for either a pocket pair or a > big club. If I re-raise and he is weak, I believe he will fold. Is not > re-raising here a terrible play? Roy Cooke: I would reraise, If he lays down a club that is a GOOD thing for your hand. > > Turn comes 2h. I check, he bets, I call. My thinking is I will not be able to > bet him off of a big club, and if a club doesn't drop on the river or I fill up > I will try for a check raise. Again, is not betting or raising here awful? Roy Cooke:There are other hands he might have. He could be paired or have a set. I would hav eplayed the hand fast on the flop eliminating this issue. But having him fold a club is a positive thing for your hand still! > > The river comes 4d. I check, he bets, I raise, he calls. Comments? > > > Results: > I take down the pot with my set of Kings. He disgustedly throws > 4s 4c down face up. As it turns out, I was risking the pot to a club when a > raise on the flop or the turn would have probably dropped him. Thinking back on > this, I probably played this badly. Any comments are welcome. | ||
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