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 Checking down a set, Kevin J, 21. Nov 2002 07:45 | ||
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| I thought this was an interesting hand, but I'm not sure I played it well. A very strong player raised from late middle position and I 3-bet from the cutoff with 77. I know this is an iffy play in itself. But this guy raises a lot. I don't like it when people raise too much in front of me. It costs me money, because I have to fold a lot of hands that I could normally play for a profit. So sooner or later I'll take a stand against this type of player (whether he's good or not). I decided that pocket sevens was a reasonable hand for this purpose. Everyone else folded and he called. The flop came Kc,Jc,7c. A good, but dangerous flop for me. He checked, I bet, and he check/raised. I wasn't about to slow-play even with position. By playing fast, maybe I could get some extra action. I re-raised and he made it 4 bets. Whoa.. Did he flop a set or small flush? I decided to slow down and see what the turn brought. I was hoping he had a pair with a big club. The turn was the 5s. He bet and I raised. I wasn't totally confident I had the best hand, but I wanted to charge him if he had a club draw. Also, if I DID have the best hand (and he didn't have a club), I thought it was important to get these two bets in immediately, since I can't bet again if a 4th club comes on the river, and I didn't want to lose this bet. He thought for a bit and called. The river was the Qh and he checked it. Now like I said, he's a very strong player. The guy put in 4 bets on the flop and another two on the turn. I also assume he has at least some respect for my play. Not only did I call his 4th bet on the flop, but I RAISED him on the turn! It's not out of the question I was beat by a set of jacks, kings, or a small flush. He might even have a hand like Ac,Tx. Because I had shown so much strength throughout the hand, I wasn't sure he'd pay me off with a pair even though the pot had gotten big. It's also possible (although unlikely) I could get check/raised. I decided to check behind. I was shocked when he turned over Ah,Ks. He didn't even have a club! Of course this means I DID miss a bet and I felt a little silly afterwards. But could I have known? Would you guys have bet the end if you were me? Would you have played the hand differently if you were him? Thanks in advance. | ||
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| Re: Checking down a set, Ted Good, 21. Nov 2002 08:48 | ||
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| I like your play. You withstood his assault and avoided the risk of a check/raise on the river. | ||
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| Re: Checking down a set, Lee Vaughn, 21. Nov 2002 13:03 | ||
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| I think you played it well. Sure maybe you missed a bet on the river if he calls. Since it is also possible that he has you beat with a flush or higher set you save a bet by checking those times he check-raises when your beat. Lee | ||
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| Re: Checking down a set, Vincent Merlino, 21. Nov 2002 13:24 | ||
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| I think you played the hand excellent. I would not have bet the river either because I feel this is one of those situations where he probably wouldn't call your river bet even though there is so much money in the pot because you showed so much strength throughout the hand. I hope I don't run into you at my next table! | ||
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| To Vince and All., Kevin J, 21. Nov 2002 18:05 | ||
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| Thanks Vince- I appreciate the compliment, and so far, I'm glad everyone seems to agree with the check on the river. But I'm not sure I'm convinced yet. I think what happened was that I misjudged my opponent or at least how he might play different hands. I wouldn't have played an AK/no club quite it that way, so I ruled out quite a few of the combinations of hands he could have. This turned out to be a mistake. When I add AK to the equation, there are now enough reasonable hands he would pay me off with to make a bet worthwhile. IMO- Thanks for your response. | ||
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| Re: To Vince and All., Charles Kincy, 25. Nov 2002 00:21 | ||
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| I still don't like a bet on the river. That is really the onlyhand he can pay you off with that you still win with. What if he had AcTx? Then you might even get check-raised! He could also have something like two little clubs. And then you lose a bet you could've saved. It's still useful to know that he overplays top pair like this, though. Though I'm not quite as sure his play of this hand was that bad, either--you're both afraid of giving the other player a free card in case he has a club. No, your check is the right move. The range of hands for a payoff is just too low. The less you can beat him WHEN HE CALLS, the less you can bet. To use an absurd example from stud, say you had [xx]JJJJ[x] and your opponent had a board of Qc9h8h7h. Would you bet the river? Heck no! No way he calls you except if he's got 65h or QQQ in the pocket, and then he raises! Worse, he can bluff and now you're like BLOODY HELL! Don't get greedy on the river, or you'll be sorry. | ||
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| Re: Checking down a set, Roy Cooke, 25. Nov 2002 11:30 | ||
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| Hi Kevin I thinkyou played the hand well. In the situation that was current you did miss a bet. That said, in many other scenarios you would have lost a bet. The play is based on a funtion of your opponet, however I think the play you made is right in most circumstances! Roy Cooke on 21. Nov 2002 07:45 Kevin J wrote: > I thought this was an interesting hand, but I'm not sure I played it well. > > A very strong player raised from late middle position and I 3-bet from the > cutoff with 77. I know this is an iffy play in itself. But this guy raises a > lot. I don't like it when people raise too much in front of me. It costs me > money, because I have to fold a lot of hands that I could normally play for a > profit. So sooner or later I'll take a stand against this type of player > (whether he's good or not). I decided that pocket sevens was a reasonable hand > for this purpose. > > Everyone else folded and he called. The flop came Kc,Jc,7c. A good, but > dangerous flop for me. He checked, I bet, and he check/raised. I wasn't about > to slow-play even with position. By playing fast, maybe I could get some extra > action. I re-raised > and he made it 4 bets. Whoa.. Did he flop a set or small flush? I decided to > slow down and see what the turn brought. I was hoping he had a pair with a big > club. > > The turn was the 5s. He bet and I raised. I wasn't totally confident I had > the best hand, but I wanted to charge him if he had a club draw. Also, if I DID > have the best hand (and he didn't have a club), I thought it was important to > get these two bets in immediately, since I can't bet again if a 4th club comes > on the river, and I didn't want to lose this bet. He thought for a bit and > called. > > The river was the Qh and he checked it. Now like I said, he's a very strong > player. The guy put in 4 bets on the flop and another two on the turn. I also > assume he has at least some respect for my play. Not only did I call his 4th > bet on the flop, but I RAISED him on the turn! It's not out of the question I > was beat by a set of jacks, kings, or a small flush. He might even have a hand > like Ac,Tx. Because I had shown so much strength throughout the hand, I wasn't > sure he'd pay me off with a pair even though the pot had gotten big. It's also > possible (although unlikely) I could get check/raised. I decided to check > behind. I was shocked when he turned over Ah,Ks. He didn't even have a club! > Of course this means I DID miss a bet and I felt a little silly afterwards. > But could I have known? Would you guys have bet the end if you were me? Would > you have played the hand differently if you were him? Thanks in advance. | ||
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