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 7 Card Stud Questions, Snorbolus, 19. Nov 2002 06:04 | ||
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| I am a confident, low limit hold'em player but, at 7 card stud, I am a complete novice. Can any of you give me advice to help get me started playing stud? Specifically: Starting hands. What starting hands are playable in 7 card stud? Presumably trips, pairs and suited starting hands are good. What about high cards, connectors and combinations of high, connected and suitedness? Hand strength. In hold'em top pair with a good kicker is a pretty standard hand. Does top pair cut it in 7 card stud? It seems to me that, in 7 card stud, there is much more chance for a player with an underpair to improve and beat you than there is in hold'em. What about drawing hands? Are straights and flushes usually worth drawing to? What types of thing should I look out for if I do decide to draw, to a straight for example. Thanks for any help. Snorbolus | ||
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| Re: 7 Card Stud Questions, mickblueeyes, 19. Nov 2002 06:29 | ||
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| Read Roy West's "7 card stud", Tom McEvoy's "Championship Stud" and Ray Zee's "Stud for Advanced Players" You should read all three of these, preferably in this order and they should give you all the insight you need to get started in stud. However, as I am sure you know, experience is the only real teacher in this game. Low limit stud is difficult because you will be drawn out on much more than higher limits, the game is more familiar to recreational players (so more recreational players play stud than HE, IMO), there are 5 betting rounds plus the ante which costs you more (in HE you see 71% of your hand for the cost of 1 bet, if unraised) and the game is slower, which means fewer hands per hour. You usually need at least 2 big pair to win at stud, but can get away with less. But stud has its benefits. There is more opportunity for pot-builiding, IMO, in stud--rarely have I ended up heads up against one player in low to medium limit stud. Taking the milk route in 7 card stud can be a lot more profitable than in HE. And, IMO--correct me if I am wrong Mr. Caro--there are better opportunities for solid tells at 7 card stud than at HE, just because of the sheer number of betting rounds and inferences you can draw from exposed cards. It is much easier, again IMO, to put someone on a hand in stud than it is in HE. Anyhow, hoped this helped some. You will find all the starting hand info you need in Roy West's book. | ||
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| Re: 7 Card Stud Questions, Ashley Adams, 19. Nov 2002 17:46 | ||
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| on 19. Nov 2002 06:04 Snorbolus wrote: > I am a confident, low limit hold'em player but, at 7 card stud, I am a complete > novice. Can any of you give me advice to help get me started playing stud? > > Specifically: > > Starting hands. What starting hands are playable in 7 card stud? I'm happy to help. I''ve written a book on this which is being published by Kensington in the Spring, tentatively titled "Winning 7-Card Stud" (clever, huh?) You can also read some articles on this at thepokerforum.com and southwesternpokerplayer.com. But, to your specific query. Presumably > trips, pairs and suited starting hands are good. True enough, but they're not always good (except for the trips). You want Premium pairs or other pairs with big kickers. Having the pairs wired (in the hole) is better than having them split because you can make trips without your opponent knowing it. Low pairs with weak kickers are generally not worth playing. You need to consider the cards yet to act and how many people are in the pot as well. Also, you need to think about HOW to play your pairs. Generally, raise with them -- even if they're Aces. Too often, inexperienced casino players just call -- hoping to suck others in. In general, this is a mistake. As to other hands, like three high cards or three cards in sequence, they are marginal at best. Conditions must be optimal for you to play these for a profit. In all 7-Card Stud contests, how LIVE your cards are is extremely important. A Premium pair which is dead is often not worth calling, let alone raising, while even a small pair with a high kicker might be worth raising with if they are completely live. What about high cards, > connectors and combinations of high, connected and suitedness? > > Hand strength. In hold'em top pair with a good kicker is a pretty standard > hand. Does top pair cut it in 7 card stud? It seems to me that, in 7 card stud, > there is much more chance for a player with an underpair to improve and beat you > than there is in hold'em. What about drawing hands? Are straights and flushes > usually worth drawing to? What types of thing should I look out for if I do > decide to draw, to a straight for example. > > Thanks for any help. > In general, if you are on fourth street (fourth card) and have four to a straight or four to a flush they are worth drawing to. In very loose games you can even, sometimes, draw to three flushes and three straights on fourth street. But you need to take into consideration how LIVE your cards are and what your opponents are likely to have and the likely pot size if you are to win. Stud can be extremely profitable, especially so if you are playing with loose passive player. But it can get extremely tricky on later streets -- even in the lower stakes games. Good luck. If you have any more specific questions, I am happy to answer them directly. Ashley Adams asha34@aol.com > Snorbolus | ||
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| timmers 7 Card Stud reading list, timmer, 19. Nov 2002 18:36 | ||
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| begin with George Percys 7 card stud -the waiting game (basic primer and familiarization. then intently study - 7 card stud 42 lessons by Roy West After this get Mike Caros, 7 card stud report and, 11 days to stud success program. then devour D Sklanski, M Malmuth & R.Zee - 7 card stud for advanced players and Konstantin Othmers - Seven Card Stud. Of course Theory of poker and Body Language of Poker are highly recommended as well. these few books if studied intently should put you near the top of the game, given the needed experiance and discipline. see you in a few decades. ;-) timmer | ||
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| Re: 7 Card Stud Questions, Paul, 25. Nov 2002 11:08 | ||
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| Hi, I'd love to help to. Might as well plug my book that I wrote, which will be out next year from Cardoza Publishing, that focuses on seven card stud specificly for the low limits. I love stud - hold 'em is great, don't get me wrong, but stud has lots of great opportunities that have already been covered. The previous poster had some good points. Good starting hand requirements include pairs, but what can never be overlooked are the kickers. For instance, a hand of 5-2-2 (split pair of deuces) is not as playable as 2-2-A (hidden pair of deuces with an ace kicker). Another thing that is important to is not to become too lose, but at the same time not too passive. Two pair was always the hand I hated most - I'd always call with it when I started playing, but I quickly found that frequently, raising with a solid too pair is what you need to do. You must force out people if you can. Even one player gone helps you - you don't want to get outdrawn. Most important is live cards - always be watching what is out there so you don't draw dead, and so you have an idea of what your opponent may or may not have. Good luck in your game - stud is great and I'm sure you'll love it the more you get into it. Paul from MN | ||
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