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 Newbie questions, The Fish, 17. Nov 2002 22:56 | ||
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| I am fairly new to this game ....I have read a few books ...and have just started playing 5-10 hold'em at the closest casino...anyway....I am hoping someone could help me with a few questions: Firstly, I have noticed that certain times I go I run into people who seem to be pretty crap-tastic .....they seem to have no conception of position ......and are quite loose ....of course there are other times when I run into people who are waiting on the 10-20 or 20-40 games who seem to be much better ..............anyway .....my question is ....are there certain times to go to the casino ..... when I would be least likely to run into a group of good players ...or should I just learn to play with them and not worry about it? Second, when is it right for me to move up in limits? I figured maybe after 20 sessions I could try the 10-20 (pending bankroll of course).......and depending on my skill ......can anyone offer some sound advice or a kind of checklist of things I should have done before I should consider moving up? (I realize there are a lot of skills to learn before I try to jump to the next table) .......Also ...what can I expect when I move up ....I assume my competition will generally be better than the 5-10 tables .....but how much? ....a lot ? ....a little? .....I know it is hard to quantify such things ....but I don't wanna sit down and find out that playing a 10-20 or 20-40 means that all my tools developed at the 5-10 table are now useless and I am starting all over again ..........Well .......to anyone who can shed some light on these questions .......I greatly appreciate it ........ Thanks, Ben | ||
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| Re: Newbie questions, Lee Vaughn, 18. Nov 2002 08:53 | ||
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| Which group of players are you trying to avoid? I am guessing you want to avoid the players who seem to know what their doing...I would say playing at night (especially Fri/Sat) gives you the best chance to get games with the 'casual' player. Ofcourse the tough players are still going to be there because they want to play against the fish too, but you will have a better mix. Times to avoid at most places if your looking for a soft game would be mornings/early afternoons. Your not going to find to many people at that time who just wander in and think "Ooh, poker. That looks like fun, I'll try that." You will tend to find a lot of retired people and other rocks, and the games tend to be very tight. As for moving up, 20 sessions is definately not enough time to make any judgements on your results. You should play whatever limit your bankroll allows you to play as well as whatever game you can best profit from. Higher limit does not always equal higher profit. The skills you need as you move up in limits are different than those at the lower limits. At the lower limits you mainly play your cards vs. the odds you are getting -a very straight forward type of game. Fancy plays are wasted and generally not profitable. You will be in more multi-way pots, and bluffing rarely works because of all the calling stations. You will find tons of people playing all kinds of hands that a 'good player' wouldn't touch. At the higher limits you typically find fewer players in each pot, and most players have a good idea of what hands to play. You tend to play the players more than you do the cards. More tricky plays, and more bluffs. Hand reading is much more important as you move up also. There are other differences, but those are some of the bigger ones and again there will always be exceptions. Hope that helps. Lee | ||
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| Re: Newbie questions, jim grass, 18. Nov 2002 12:01 | ||
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| on 17. Nov 2002 22:56 The Fish wrote: > I am fairly new to this game ....I have read a few books ...and have just > started playing 5-10 hold'em at the closest casino...anyway....I am hoping > someone could help me with a few questions: > Firstly, I have noticed that certain times I go I run into people who seem to > be pretty crap-tastic .....they seem to have no conception of position ......and > are quite loose ....of course there are other times when I run into people who > are waiting on the 10-20 or 20-40 games who seem to be much better > ..............anyway .....my question is ....are there certain times to go to > the casino ..... when I would be least likely to run into a group of good > players ...or should I just learn to play with them and not worry about it? usaully in the daytime you get your regulars grinding out the tables..some are good some poor > Second, when is it right for me to move up in limits? I figured maybe > after 20 sessions I could try the 10-20 (pending bankroll of course).......and > depending on my skill ......can anyone offer some sound advice or a kind of > checklist of things I should have done before I should consider moving up? (I > realize there are a lot of skills to learn before I try to jump to the next > table) .......Also ...what can I expect when I move up ....I assume my > competition will generally be better than the 5-10 tables .....but how much? > ....a lot ? ....a little? .....I know it is hard to quantify such things ....but > I don't wanna sit down and find out that playing a 10-20 or 20-40 means that all > my tools developed at the 5-10 table are now useless and I am starting all over > again ..........Well .......to anyone who can shed some light on these questions > .......I greatly appreciate it ........ You`ll find a mix at diffrent levels as well..You must ask yourself do i have the necessary skills for solid play..Have you studied are you disciplined do you read people decently etc.. dont be afraid to take a shot and set a limit just incase you run bad > > Thanks, > Ben | ||
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| Re: Newbie questions, NiceFella, 18. Nov 2002 17:58 | ||
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| I am also a relative newcomer to playing hold-em, so take my rambling perspective with a grain of salt. I find that after several hundred hours of low-limit play I am still learning at the 4/8 table. I'm learning to stay focused, not to tilt, to study my opponents, and reinforcing basic strategy. Every day I make mistakes and learn new tricks. Each night I document my results and think about important plays. Personally I feel that when I stop learning at 4/8 I'll know I'm ready for 10/20. I think it takes a long time to distinguish between luck and skill -- cards can run hot or cold for days on end, but regardless of whether I'm up or down for the day there are always things I did well and did poorly. As you mentioned, you'll occasionally get opportunities to play with the higher-limit players at the low-limit tables. At my local cardroom, the regular 10/20 players are often just killing time at the low-limit table so it's hard to judge how they play "seriously". However over time I've become familiar with many of the 10/20 regulars in this way, and I'll know when I'm ready to face them. I do play tournaments and they are very educational -- the poker is much tighter and much more aggressive. I feel they are a good opportunity to measure my skills against the better players in my area without losing a lot of money. I've found that weekend players are an unpredictable lot. I've have had better success playing on weekdays when the regulars are around. I've learned which of the regulars are poor players, and try to get seated with them. Another trick I like is showing up early in the morning, when the all-nighters are half-dead with exhaustion and many of them are either tilting or playing extremely passively. Your mileage may vary.... I'd also be interested in feedback from more experienced players. NiceFella | ||
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| Re: Newbie questions, 2jelsky, 18. Nov 2002 20:03 | ||
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| well Ben, you seem to have more questions that I have answers, but I will make a comment or two. to me, hold-em is a much more complex game than many seem to realize...be sure to get a LOT of experience before you move up. keep your poker bankroll serarate from your other money...that way you will know how you are doing. don't try to avoid those better players...you learn more from GOOD players. when (and if) your bankroll grows, then you may be ready to move up ...but let it grow enough to be able to take a loss, several times. last, but not least, never get upset when a bad players beats you on a hand...be glad there are bad players, that's how you make $$$ | ||
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