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 No-Limit Satellite, Vincent Merlino, 17. Nov 2002 06:07 | ||
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| I want to know your opinion on a hand that I recently played in a no limit hold em satellite at the Taj. It was at the second level and we had only lost one player. I'm in the big blind with A K. Four people limp in and the small blind raised 3 times the big blind.($75) When he raised my thought process went like this; There is $200 in the pot already. I know this guy is not too strong because he was practically telling us what his hands were by varying the size of his bets. I put him on pocket 10's,J's, or Q's. I moved all in for $325 thinking that he would have to lay down one of those hands. Well he called, with pocket Jacks, and the flop came with an Ace. I thought I had a winner but the board ended up having four spades on it giving him a jack high flush which beat me. Oh well. In restropect I think I should have just called him before the flop but I didn't want to allow the limpers in the pot (believe me they were gonna call) I wanted it heads up. How would you have played this? | ||
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| Re: No-Limit Satellite, Lee Vaughn, 17. Nov 2002 07:56 | ||
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| I don't think going all-in with AK this early is correct, especially if you put the raiser on JJ or QQ. I am not the best at math, but even if you are suited you are slight dog to QQ and a slight favorite over JJ (if I figured it right) Your odds get a little better assuming that he fold vs your raise occasionally, but if he is a 'weaker' player I would think he would call more often than he should, thus hurting your odds. Lee | ||
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| Re: No-Limit Satellite, Daniel Horowitz, 17. Nov 2002 15:15 | ||
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| Vincent- I believe you played this correctly. At two overcards to an underpair you were almost even money. In these satelleites the blinds increase pretty quickly and if you dont take a chance you arent going to win. Especially with the other money in the pot this would have given you a pretty big advantage enabling you to sit tight and lean for the next round or two of the satelleite. You should definetly not have limped in...But im not expert. I won my NL satelleite at the Taj busting someone with two overcards to my pocket 3's. Those are the chances you have to take..in such an environment. Just my two cents. Daniel | ||
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| Re: No-Limit Satellite, DaVoice, 17. Nov 2002 19:47 | ||
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| Vincent, I have become somewhat of a "NLHE Satellite Specialist" over the last couple of years. I don't have the time, patience, or stamina to play in the grueling 3-5 day events, and normally have to broadcast them if I'm there anyway. Here are my thoughts. 4 limpers is a very loose situation, although the standard open-raise in most NL games (tourney or ring) is 3X the big blind, in a situation like this the raiser made a BIG mistake, IMHO. JJ is not going to be the favorite over 4 other hands, so he should have raised *at least* the amount of the pot to limit the field.or take down the blinds and the limpers. If I see someone that I know to be a skillful NL player do this it would make me pause and think "What does he want me to do by making this small raise?" Getting back to your play and situation, with 4 others to call behind you I really don't like the all in raise. Not that you don't have "fold equity" but your AK is a slight dog to ANY pair. You MUST improve it to win. If you really believed this guy could be holding TT, JJ, or QQ and make this very small raise, I say CALL or DUMP IT. Again, this is just my opinion, I could be dead wrong. AK is probably the most OVER-PLAYED and OVER-RATED hand in PL and NL holdem. In limit it is the best drawing hand, but in NL or PL there is a reason that it's called "Walkin' back to (insert hometown here)" Hope that helps, Rick "DaVoice" Charles | ||
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| Re: No-Limit Satellite, Andy, 18. Nov 2002 06:59 | ||
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| I consider this to much of a risktaking. With 5 players already in the hand there's a big possibility that some of the them sit with an A or K, giving you little chance of drawing a pair. That makes any lower pair a bigger favourite. Andy | ||
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| Re: No-Limit Satellite, RickyK, 18. Nov 2002 07:14 | ||
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| I think the call and then reasses on the flop is the best play here, also what we all seem to forget is that just by being at a site like this you have to presume that you are one of the better players at the table ( if you know what i mean ). If this is the case then why go on a 50/50 coin flip that early ? Call gives you the option of folding if you dont hit the flop, also you could hit a Q,Kor A as all of these may well help your cause ( will the JJ call an all in bet if the Q comes ? ) IMHO call and see the flop, i do however fully appreciate the value of JJ folding if you do move all in, but in Satalite tourny's like this it is tricky to get a made hand to fold pre-flop. :) | ||
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| Re: No-Limit Satellite, Daniel Horowitz, 18. Nov 2002 16:19 | ||
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| Yes going all in is quite a risk. Assuming everyone else folds you are only even money at best. But these satelleites are setup in such a way so you dont normally have the time to wait for strong hands where you feel you are a 4-1 or 5-1 favorite. I consider going all in the correct move because if you win then you are positioning yourself to possibly win the sattleiete and these are risks you need to take. If you do not go all in then you better hope something good comes along as others are pilling the chips up | ||
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| Re: No-Limit Satellite, DaVoice, 18. Nov 2002 16:26 | ||
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| Daniel, I think you and I will have to agree to disagree on this one. This was the FIRST level of the satellite. There was enough time to find a better situation, IMHO. I still think the worst play was the 3x the big blind bet with 4 limpers. Rick | ||
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| Re: No-Limit Satellite, viggo, 19. Nov 2002 05:18 | ||
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| Why are you guys so sure that SB has got a pocket pair? ASSUMING he has got a pocket pair, and ASSUMING he will call an all in raise a call with AK might be in order (although I don't like it. What do you do if you get 4 other callers and the flop comes doubleedged like AJ9 with two of a suit? Come to think of it...calling with that hand stinks). But you cant be certain that he has got a pocket pair, and even if he does, he might lay it down. Because of this, and because of the fast tournament structure, moving all in is the only correct play IMHO. I would do it in a heartbeat. If I got busted, I would be walking home to (insert name of where you live) knowing I made the correct play. | ||
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