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 $80-$160 Hand, Jim Brier, 17. Nov 2002 01:09 | ||
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| I was playing in a 9-handed $80-$160 game at the Bellagio and observed the following hand. Before telling you what happened, I will ask what you would do. A tourist limps in under the gun. A middle player limps. A good player raises having the Td-Tc. Only the tourist and the other limper call. The flop is: As-Ah-8d. It is checked to the good player who bets. Only the tourist calls. The turn is the 2c. The tourist checks. What should the good player do? | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, Andrew Wells, 17. Nov 2002 05:08 | ||
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| A tourist check calls a bet on the flop from the aggressor. There is no possible drawing hand available. The tourist opened with a call UTG preflop. I have no doubt that the tourist has decided to check call the whole way (maybe bet the river) with his ace, regardless of kicker. The good player should check the turn. | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, Dan Chio, 17. Nov 2002 09:21 | ||
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| Knowing nothing about the tourist, I would still be inclined to bet the turn and if check-raised, fold, if the tourist has been fairly straightforward. If he has been trying to buy and bluff a lot of pots, then go for a 3 bet. Obviously, if he calls the reraise, the tens has to check behind on the river. Dan | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, BLUESMAN, 17. Nov 2002 13:42 | ||
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| I don't know about your good player but this good player would bet the turn and failing any show of strength by his opponent would also bet the river. | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, timmer, 17. Nov 2002 15:02 | ||
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| advance with bayonet. proceed it encountering mush .If encountering steel retreat. bet and hope the tourist ( read fish) will toss a hand as good as Ace/ bad kicker If he comes back at you with a rai well.... maybe stand your ground ?? perhaps I sould read some of these hold em books I got lying around the office. timmer | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, DaVoice, 17. Nov 2002 19:53 | ||
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| I'm putting the tourist on Ace-rag and checking it down until he bets it. RC | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, DaVoice, 17. Nov 2002 19:55 | ||
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| Also should add that I think the author of the story may be the "good player". I don't have a lot of reads on you yet, Jim... but I'm working on it. :) Rick "DaVoice" Charles | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, Jeffrey Biship, 17. Nov 2002 21:19 | ||
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| I hate situations like these. The ideal situation would be to bet on the turn and check behind when he checks it to you again on the river. But there's no guarantee that this will happen. You could bet and fold to a raise, but I'm not a huge fan of this play, especially against a player who is unknown to you. Just because he's a tourist, doesn't mean he's a bad player. Plus, you want to get some info on him. I think the possibility that you have the best hand along with the potential to see his cards in a show down, would lead me to check the turn and call a bet (if he bets, which he should when I checked the turn) on the river. Jeff | ||
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| Results, Jim Brier, 17. Nov 2002 23:43 | ||
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| The player bet. The tourist called. The river was the Js. The tourist checked. The player checked. The tourist won with the As-3s for trip aces. Normally, I like to follow through with a bet on fourth in a heads-up situation after showing all the strength. But this hand is an exception. What can the tourist have? We can rule out KK, QQ, and JJ since he did not raise preflop. I think it is highly unlikely that he would call a flop bet with K-Q, K-J, or Q-J since he has no pair, no draw, and no hand against a preflop raiser in a big game like this. He only has six outs when the preflop raiser has specifically T-T or 9-9. If the preflop raiser has specifically AA, KK, QQ, JJ, A-K, A-Q, or A-J suited he has virtually no outs. In all likelihood his flop call was based on either having an ace or having a lower pair than yours. If the tourist has a lower pair than yours, he is playing two outs. If he has an ace, you are playing two outs. This is a situation where you are either way ahead or way behind. I would check it back on the turn and call if my opponent bets the river. Maybe I will induce a bet from a worse hand. | ||
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