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 Mike Caro vs. A-K, Mark, 14. Nov 2002 07:19 | ||
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| Hi all, everyone is welcome to answer to this. In one of Kreiger's Hold'em Excellence ( i think it was hold'em excellence anyway) there is a comment about Mike Caro questioning power raising with A-K. Mike, can you explain your reasons? AK is a 2.7:1 dog to pair on the flop, but if you do, its always top pair. Also, any straight or flush will (probably) be the nuts. There's also the slim advantages of overcards and semi-bluffing when the flop is ragged. Thanks Mark | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro vs. A-K, Big Frank, 14. Nov 2002 09:40 | ||
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| I just finished HE Excellence, and am starting Mroe HE Excellence, and if I recall, Lou's view of Mike's take on this is that AK is still a drawing hand, and if you miss on the flop, you are vunerable. I may be mistaken, but I have been playing AK strongly pre flop, and am not ashamed to fold big slick if the flop is a bust into a raise or 3 bet | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro vs. A-K, Mike Caro, 14. Nov 2002 12:03 | ||
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| on 14. Nov 2002 07:19 Mark wrote: > Hi all, everyone is welcome to answer to this. > > In one of Kreiger's Hold'em Excellence ( i think it was hold'em excellence > anyway) there is a comment about Mike Caro questioning power raising with A-K. > > Mike, can you explain your reasons? AK is a 2.7:1 dog to pair on the flop, but > if you do, its always top pair. Also, any straight or flush will (probably) be > the nuts. There's also the slim advantages of overcards and semi-bluffing when > the flop is ragged. > > Thanks > > Mark Hi, Mark -- Thanks for posing this interesting question. The type of game and your position relative to other players who are already in the pot or may decide to enter the pot has a great deal to do with whether you should raise or just call with A-K before the flop. I will usually raise if two or more players have already called in front of me, unless I have at least one very aggressive player waiting to act. In that case, I'll frequently just call and hope the other player(s) raises. That way, I can just call and not be the "prime suspect" for strength, which means my hand is more deceptive and gives me more options on future betting rounds. (In genreral, it's usually better if someone else does the betting or raising for you -- but there are notable exceptions to that, too, particularly if you have a medium-strong hand against a timid foe or a hand where you have a high potential to win the pot outright on a future round by being the aggressor now.) Sometimes I will make it three bets if I just call and get raised. Usually not. Anyway, I DON'T say it's better to call than to raise with A-K. I say that there are some situations where that's true, and I say that -- overall -- most strong players raise too routinely and too often with the hand. Usually, I DO raise, of course. But in most situations, just-calling does not lead to a huge sacrifice in profit and can often actually make the hand more profitable. As powerful as A-K is, it is a hand where you'll usually be disappointed by the flop. That leaves the door open to just calling and seeing what develops. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro vs. A-K, Mark, 14. Nov 2002 12:40 | ||
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| Thanks Mike That makes alot of sense. I've noticed that raising AK in the SB, BB and UTG has caused me some problems and I've eased up a little on raising from those postions. When the situation is right I'll try limping. Thanks again Mark | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro vs. A-K, whiskeytown, 14. Nov 2002 21:28 | ||
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| so anyways....being drunk and oblivos to spelling...LOL - I gotta ask this.. I respect Mike as much as any superduper pro in the poker world to wisdom.. but the question is...where does he play? and where in the world are there 9 other idiots at the table to play with him....LOL ya understand, Mike...this is part sarcasm and part awe...good advice, and if I were still playing ring games, I'd take it... God help the fools who still sit at the table when Mike comes sitting down :) --- LOL pax RB on 14. Nov 2002 12:03 Mike Caro wrote: > on 14. Nov 2002 07:19 Mark wrote: > > Hi all, everyone is welcome to answer to this. > > > > In one of Kreiger's Hold'em Excellence ( i think it was hold'em excellence > > anyway) there is a comment about Mike Caro questioning power raising with A-K. > > > > Mike, can you explain your reasons? AK is a 2.7:1 dog to pair on the flop, but > > if you do, its always top pair. Also, any straight or flush will (probably) be > > the nuts. There's also the slim advantages of overcards and semi-bluffing when > > > the flop is ragged. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > Hi, Mark -- > > Thanks for posing this interesting question. The type of game and your position > relative to other players who are already in the pot or may decide to enter the pot > has a great deal to do with whether you should raise or just call with A-K before the > flop. > > I will usually raise if two or more players have already called in front of me, > unless I have at least one very aggressive player waiting to act. In that case, I'll > frequently just call and hope one of the other player(s) raises. That way, I can just > call and not be the "prime suspect" for strength, which means my hand is more > deceptive and gives me more options on future betting rounds. (In genreral, it's > usually better if someone else does the betting or raising for you -- but there are > notable exceptions to that, too, particularly if you have a medium-strong hand > against a timid foe or a hands where you have a high potential to win the pot > outright on a future round by being the aggressor now.) Sometimes I will make it > three bets if I just call and get raised. Usually not. > > Anyway, I DON'T say it's better to call than to raise with A-K. I say that there are > some situations where that's true, and I say that -- overall -- most strong players > raise too routinely and too often with the hand. Usually, I DO raise, of course. But > in most situations, just-calling does not lead to a huge sacrifice in profit and can > often actually make the hand more profitable. As powerful as A-K is, it is a hand > where you'll usually be disappointed by the flop. That leaves the door open to just > calling and seeing what develops. > > Straight Flushes, > Mike Caro | ||
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