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 Pocket queens, Robert Payne, 10. Nov 2002 19:00 | ||
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| I was dealt QhQc in mid position. It was raised and called thru the BB with only the button folding. Flop was AT8c and it was checked around. The turn was a 6c. Checked to me I bet, one off the button raised, folded to me I re-raised. Heads up at this time. River was a blank, I checked, one off button bet, I raised, he re-raised. I had already put him on a flush but only the Kc could hurt so I thought my odds were good of having high hand. I re-raised, he called with the Kc. This guy had not been playing terribly tight and with him in late position I did not put him on a Kc. How could I have played this differently? By the way this was a $2-4 table. | ||
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| Re: Pocket queens, Lee Vaughn, 10. Nov 2002 22:27 | ||
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| Did you raise preflop? I would have raised or re-raised if it was raised before you. On the turn I think I would have just called after he check-raised, but I don't think the reraise is totally out of the question. If I did go with the check-raise on the turn I would have bet out on the river. If he raised then I would just call. I have been in the same position many times and while the odds are small for someone holding the one card that can beat you, it seems like they alway have it when they act like they have it. I don't remember the exact quote, but Mike Caro says something about people not bluffing a made hand. (sorry for the poor qoute Mike lol) Lee | ||
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| Re: Pocket queens, Trey, 10. Nov 2002 23:06 | ||
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| Robert, I would have bet the flop in the hope of running bad aces, as well as the KJ's which make a str8 when I make a set and the 7-9's which win with a non club J or a 6. I would also have the hope that a club would win it for me as I would have expected to get a 3 bet from an AK with the Kc. (you don't tell us what kicker was with the Kc) I would suggest to you that you overplayed your 2nd nut flush, esp as a str8 flush also is possible. I would have bet the river, then called if raised. The check raise risks wining no more bets from worse flushes while costing three to the better flushes. As you played it, It seems to me that your reraise after your check raise was reraised was throwing chips away. I think you were destined to lose chips on this hand, but ended up losing more than necessary. on 10. Nov 2002 19:00 Robert Payne wrote: > I was dealt QhQc in mid position. It was raised and called thru the BB with only > the button folding. Flop was AT8c and it was checked around. The turn was a 6c. > Checked to me I bet, one off the button raised, folded to me I re-raised. Heads > up at this time. River was a blank, I checked, one off button bet, I raised, he > re-raised. I had already put him on a flush but only the Kc could hurt so I > thought my odds were good of having high hand. I re-raised, he called with the > Kc. > > This guy had not been playing terribly tight and with him in late position I > did not put him on a Kc. How could I have played this differently? By the way > this was a $2-4 table. | ||
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| Re: Pocket queens, 3Kings, 11. Nov 2002 08:51 | ||
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| I would have bet the flop with the second nut flush. You are going to get action from the K and possibly from the J. Your bet is also designed to knock out anyone with a weak ace that might call down if the 4th club doesn't hit. I would still bet the turn so I wouldn't give anyone with a two-pair draw or maybe even a set a free draw to fill. If I am raised, I call and check call the river. I don't know too many players, even bad players that would raise with the Jc with 4 clubs on the board but they definitely would call. If I am not raised on the turn you could lead the river and get paid off. | ||
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| Re: Pocket queens, 3Kings, 11. Nov 2002 08:56 | ||
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| To finish my post, The check-raise and reraise on the end was poor. You said the player was tight so you have to figure he has the Kc as what other card could he possibly have that he could raise with on both the turn and river. Even the reraise on the turn was a bad idea. You cost yourself 4 big bets. | ||
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| Re: Pocket queens, Roy Cooke, 13. Nov 2002 06:22 | ||
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| I think you overplayed the hand terribly....When you bet he should think you have a flush...when he raises he likely has a flush he is VERY confident of. I think youhave a crying call at best! Roy Cooke on 10. Nov 2002 19:00 Robert Payne wrote: > I was dealt QhQc in mid position. It was raised and called thru the BB with only > the button folding. Flop was AT8c and it was checked around. The turn was a 6c. > Checked to me I bet, one off the button raised, folded to me I re-raised. Heads > up at this time. River was a blank, I checked, one off button bet, I raised, he > re-raised. I had already put him on a flush but only the Kc could hurt so I > thought my odds were good of having high hand. I re-raised, he called with the > Kc. > > This guy had not been playing terribly tight and with him in late position I > did not put him on a Kc. How could I have played this differently? By the way > this was a $2-4 table. | ||
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