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 Limit Tourneys In General, Dan Chio, 8. Nov 2002 21:44 | ||
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| Would like opinions on playing limit events, whether it be holdem or omaha, and whether these should be played fairly loose early on in hopes of building a stack...I've been having this discussion with a few other players and this seems to be the consensus, though I just can't bring myself to play marginal hands and if this is the case, should I just abandon limit events in general? It seems if one plays too tight and doesn't hit the right cards early, it puts that player in a horrible spot during the middle of the tourney when it's one hand that can send you to the rail. Thoughts? Dan | ||
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| Re: Limit Tourneys In General, JoshuaW, 9. Nov 2002 03:39 | ||
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| Dan: This is my own experience and some best tournamant players' opinions from their books and magazines. I'm not the superstar player in the tournament tour, but I did win few tournaments. This is my simple outlines for you -- 1. You definitely need to be looser and more aggressive than your normal live games in the very beginning of the tournament. Like you said to "Build up" the chips. 2. Position is very important. Some good players raise from late position with anything. I said ANYTHING! 3. You need to play the players. I guess you know what I mean. 4. Raise or fold in some situations, calling is definitely a worse decision. 5. If you're close to the money position, you should be very carefully to play your hands. Some hands you might just fold in order to get the money. Don't risk to "win" a pot. 6. At a differant stage and how many chips you have at that specific stage will decide how you gonna play with that specific hand. Try to play a few events you'll understand. 6. You may try a small buy-in tournament. It's fun though. 7. Read some books and magazines that will help. 8. I guess a consistent torunamant winner is combined of : Aggressiveness, skills, experiences, strategies, reading players, guts (no fear), game & cards feeling, focus, physically and emotionally ready and well, always study and learn a new thing, and of course "Luck". Good luck to your first ever tournament game! JoshuaW | ||
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| Re: Limit Tourneys In General, Dan Chio, 9. Nov 2002 08:28 | ||
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| Thanks for the reply, Josh. I have played many tourneys though. I was just asking a theory question as I have been not too happy with my limit game as of late. I will probably try to loosen up a bit more during the early stages, so that I either build up a stack or bust out early. Talk to you soon... Dan | ||
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| Re: Limit Tourneys In General, Jacob, 10. Nov 2002 16:35 | ||
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| I guess we all play our own way, which is good. I do really good in tourneys by playing my normal fulltable hands in a normal way from the beginning. In the midstages i tend 2 be a little more aggressive especially from late position..bet till raised or folded...if nothing comes I wait for the late stage 2 bet hard with something good and double or tripple my stack (or bust)...its general thoughts I know but good basic for me...My main point is I don't play much different from normal fulltable...except if Im realy lucky or really unlucky | ||
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| Re: Limit Tourneys In General, 3Kings, 11. Nov 2002 19:52 | ||
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| on 9. Nov 2002 03:39 JoshuaW wrote: > Dan: > > This is my own experience and some best tournamant players' opinions from their > books and magazines. I'm not the superstar player in the tournament tour, but I did > win few tournaments. This is my simple outlines for you -- > > 1. You definitely need to be looser and more aggressive than your normal live games > in the very beginning of the tournament. Like you said to "Build up" the chips. I think you should be a little tighter in the beginning. Since the blinds are smaller, most people will play to build up their stacks and you will usually have to win with a good hand. As the blinds get bigger, you can now start to steal blinds from people with short stacks as they will not want to go all-in without a good hand. Since I have only won one recreational hold'em tourny and it was no limit, Joshua probably has a better idea of limit than I do but it is my opinion, > > 2. Position is very important. Some good players raise from late position with > anything. I said ANYTHING! > > 3. You need to play the players. I guess you know what I mean. > > 4. Raise or fold in some situations, calling is definitely a worse decision. > > 5. If you're close to the money position, you should be very carefully to play your > hands. Some hands you might just fold in order to get the money. Don't risk to "win" > a pot. This includes AA and KK; especially, if there are two people that could go all-in.(pre-flop). Once a player goes all-in, you are at the mercy of the cards. If two people go all-in, now you have to pray they hold up. Remember, you want to win money, not pots. > > 6. At a differant stage and how many chips you have at that specific stage will > decide how you gonna play with that specific hand. Try to play a few events you'll > understand. > > 6. You may try a small buy-in tournament. It's fun though. > > 7. Read some books and magazines that will help. > > 8. I guess a consistent torunamant winner is combined of : Aggressiveness, skills, > experiences, strategies, reading players, guts (no fear), game & cards feeling, > focus, physically and emotionally ready and well, always study and learn a new thing, > and of course "Luck". > > Good luck to your first ever tournament game! > > JoshuaW | ||
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| Re: Limit Tourneys In General, Mark, 12. Nov 2002 06:50 | ||
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| > 1. You definitely need to be looser and more aggressive than your normal live games > in the very beginning of the tournament. Like you said to "Build up" the chips. I think it was Caro who said something to the effect that most tournament players are loose in the early stages and tighten up as the limits increase and to beat these players you must do the opposite. If your table is loose in the early stages, play tight. Don't reason that when you win you'll win more and make up for all the times you threw you're money away. You need a better hand to win against a family pot than heads up. Later in the tournament when everyone else tightens up, you can steal blinds more easily and bluff more. One of the biggest proofs of this is low-stakes, single table, on-line tournaments. At one particular site, I can ususally get in the money without playing hand! Most people go broke trying to get a chip lead. While doing this I establish a rock solid image and can play/steal many more hands when the table becomes shorthanded (5 or less). The higher the stakes, the better the players, and the less obvious this trend becomes, but it probably still exists at most tournaments. You will have to make a move every once in while and gain some chips along the way, but there is no reason to play really loose. Mark | ||
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