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 4/ 8 Kill Pot Tilted Me, Louie D., 6. Nov 2002 16:25 | ||
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| I just won the previous two hands so I am the Kill Button. My 8.00 is posted and I am in late position in seat 3 and dealt PP Ks seat 4 and 5 fold seat 6 Calls, 7 folds 8 raises 9 folds 1 2 3 Fold. I reraise makeing it 24.00 seat 6 calls Seat 8 Calls. Flops Hits 6 9 2 rainbow I say to myself cool. Seat 6 Calls (has been playing a lot of hands) 8 bets (good solid player) I raise making it 16.00 Seat 6 Call’s 8 reraises making it 24.00 I make it 32.00 all call. Then thinking 2 pair or trips from seat 8 but doubtful he has been playing face cards all day I decide he has PP A’s or Q’s Turn card is J Seat 6 checks seat 8 bets 16.00 I raise 32.00 seat 6 calls 8 makes it 48.00 I decide to Cap it at 64.00. River Comes Ace Seat 6 checks again 8 checks also. I bet 16.00 because he checks the A all call me I Turn my KK over seat 8 goes O CRAP! Show's his QQ says Good hand Seat 6 Turns over A 4 os. Seat 6 never really had any type of draw i could see. I about lost it, said good hand got up and took a break. Did I play the hand correctly? 2nd for some reason I can’t get this out of my head. Guess I needed to vent a bad beat. I moved up to this 4/8 to see how my play was with these types of players. I am normally a 3/6 player. Thanks for listening Peace Louied | ||
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| Re: 4/ 8 Kill Pot Tilted Me, SoCalPat, 6. Nov 2002 17:03 | ||
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| I don't see how you did anything wrong, or could have done anything better. You had the 2nd best hand pre-flop and raised. You were a heavy favorite post-flop, and raised. Ditto for the turn, and your opponents were too scared to bet into you on the river when the A came. I have no idea of the rationale behind A4o. QQ had to believe he was beaten when the A came up. Hope this beat didn't put you too much into tilt overdrive. I would have been hard pressed to keep it from happening to me. | ||
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| Re: 4/ 8 Kill Pot Tilted Me, Roy Cooke, 6. Nov 2002 19:31 | ||
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| Seem like you played the hand way too strong. When multiple players are putting in multiple bets on the flop and the turn it is VERY rare tha tone pair is good! Roy Cooke on 6. Nov 2002 16:25 Louie D. wrote: > I just won the previous two hands so I am the Kill Button. My 8.00 is posted and > I am in late position in seat 3 and dealt PP Ks seat 4 and 5 fold seat 6 Calls, > 7 folds 8 raises 9 folds 1 2 3 Fold. I reraise makeing it 24.00 seat 6 calls > Seat 8 Calls. Flops Hits 6 9 2 rainbow I say to myself cool. Seat 6 Calls (has > been playing a lot of hands) 8 bets (good solid player) I raise making it 16.00 > Seat 6 Call’s 8 reraises making it 24.00 I make it 32.00 all call. Then > thinking 2 pair or trips from seat 8 but doubtful he has been playing face cards > all day I decide he has PP A’s or Q’s Turn card is J Seat 6 checks seat 8 > bets 16.00 I raise 32.00 seat 6 calls 8 makes it 48.00 I decide to Cap it > at 64.00. River Comes Ace Seat 6 checks again 8 checks also. I bet 16.00 > because he checks the A all call me I Turn my KK over seat 8 goes O CRAP! > Show's his QQ says Good hand Seat 6 Turns over A 4 os. Seat 6 never really had > any type of draw i could see. I about lost it, said good hand got up and took a > break. Did I play the hand correctly? 2nd for some reason I can’t get this out > of my head. Guess I needed to vent a bad beat. I moved up to this 4/8 to see how > my play was with these types of players. I am normally a 3/6 player. > > > Thanks for listening > Peace Louied > > | ||
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| I don't understand this response, SoCalPat, 7. Nov 2002 00:50 | ||
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| I'm relatively new to hold 'em, but with all due respect, Roy, your advice seemingly goes against one of the key tenets of low-limit hold 'em, which is to play big hands fast. If KK, with no A showing up until the river and being played against only 2 people shouldn't be played fast and strong, then why bother playing poker at all? Aren't we supposed to be punishing hands like A4o in this situation? This is a money-making hand. I'd like more insight as to why Louie shouldn't have played KK as strong as he did, given the relatively harmless nature of the board until the river. To me, saying he played it too strong is just hindsight talking because he lost. | ||
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| Re: I don't understand this response, CapnD, 7. Nov 2002 07:55 | ||
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| Capping the betting on the turn with a single over pair against multiple opponents is bad poker. | ||
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| Re: I don't understand this response, Louie D., 7. Nov 2002 08:37 | ||
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| on 7. Nov 2002 07:55 CapnD wrote: > Capping the betting on the turn with a single over pair against multiple opponents is bad > poker. CabnD, I don’t see how it can be consider this bad poker really. But I am relatively new at HE and always open for suggestions, I had a read on both players. Knowing seat 6 has lost plenty of hands with crap, also putting a safe and correct read on Seat 8. Where i 2nd guess myself now is on seat 6 read I should have remembered he has been playing alot of hands and could have anything, But holdeing a A they only have 3 outs. I thought by capping it seat 6 might finally go away. At the same time pushing more $ in the pot. But like I said I am new at this and willing to learn. Thanks Peace Louied | ||
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| Re: I don't understand this response, Daniel Negreanu, 7. Nov 2002 14:10 | ||
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| I agree with Roy, and think the KK's were played a little too fast. As it turns out, if all cards were face, up, the KK played magnificantly on the turn, but poorly on the river. Capping the turn is wishful thinking in my opinion. You can't beat A-A, can't beat three jacks, or any set for that matter. Two pair is also unlikely, but not impossible. Once making this aggressive play on the turn, I would have checked the river. Now, you can't even beat A-J or A-K either. For all this aggression you have to hope you are up against EXACTLY two queens, and that the 'random' hand has absolutely nothing. Considering the action on the hand, that scenario is extremely unlikely, despite the fact that in this situation- that's exactly what occured. Daniel Negreanu | ||
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| Re: I don't understand this response, Charles Kincy, 8. Nov 2002 18:47 | ||
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| on 7. Nov 2002 14:10 Daniel Negreanu wrote: > Capping the turn is wishful thinking in my opinion. You can't beat A-A, can't beat three > jacks, or any set for that matter. Two pair is also unlikely, but not impossible. > Once making this aggressive play on the turn, I would have checked the river. Now, you > can't even beat A-J or A-K either. > For all this aggression you have to hope you are up against EXACTLY two queens, and that the > 'random' hand has absolutely nothing. Considering the action on the hand, that scenario is > extremely unlikely, despite the fact that in this situation- that's exactly what occured. What if you're playing against sillypeople who will give this sort of action with A9 or Jx? Will you cap it on the turn in that case? I think I would. You're right about the river, though. Time to slow down, though I wonder how to feel about overcalling given the sillypeople. Games demanding an overcall (even a double overcall) with weak hands can be irritating. | ||
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| Re: 4/ 8 Kill Pot Tilted Me, BreadnButter, 8. Nov 2002 00:50 | ||
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| I would have pounded the flop as you did. Cap it off and try and get the "odd man" out, or if he wont go away at least make him PAY!!! I wouldnt have capped the turn though... you only have one pair (a nice overpair at that, but one pair nontheless)... trips beat you or AA (possibly from seat 8) and seat 6 if playing anything so maybe he has a low set or two pair. When checked to on the river i would check it and hope the Cowboys hold up. But as for trying to get that A4 offsuit out you did ALL you could and you got beat by a three outter. My advice: INVITE THIS PLAYER TO ALL YOUR POKER GAMES!!!! BreadnButter | ||
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