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 Low Limit HE, Robert Payne, 4. Nov 2002 20:48 | ||
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| I have been playing $2-4 HE for a couple of months now. I have read Lou Krieger's Hold 'Em Excellence and More Hold 'Em Excellence, read this forum regulary, and have played a number of simulation hands. I still have a long way to go but I feel I understand the basic starting hands and early betting stratagies. My problem is the low limit players don't seem to follow any stratagy. Raising and re-raising with AA, AK, KQ preflop does not narrow the field much(8 hands see the flop pretty regularly). I do not play many hands but when I do there is someone sitting early position with 47 off suit picking up a set or full house. Any advice on how to play in this type of game. At this time I do not want to move to higher limit tables. | ||
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| Re: Low Limit HE, Roy Cooke, 4. Nov 2002 21:19 | ||
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| Hi Robert When you play games with 8 players taking the flop, starting hands change value. Big suited cards (including nut and second nut flush draws) and wired pairs gain in value. Large offsuited cards lose value. How much you change your starting hands strategy depends on other variables. But keep that concept in mind. Just stay patient and keep playing solid play of solid hands in solid situations. Do that and the bankroll will take care of itself! Roy Cooke von 4. Nov 2002 20:48 Robert Payne wrote: > I have been playing $2-4 HE for a couple of months now. I have read Lou > Krieger's Hold 'Em Excellence and More Hold 'Em Excellence, read this forum > regulary, and have played a number of simulation hands. I still have a long way > to go but I feel I understand the basic starting hands and early betting > stratagies. My problem is the low limit players don't seem to follow any > stratagy. Raising and re-raising with AA, AK, KQ preflop does not narrow the > field much(8 hands see the flop pretty regularly). I do not play many hands but > when I do there is someone sitting early position with 47 off suit picking up a > set or full house. > > Any advice on how to play in this type of game. At this time I do not want to > move to higher limit tables. | ||
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| Re: Low Limit HE, Dynasty, 5. Nov 2002 01:25 | ||
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| One thing you need to change is your philosophical approach to the game. When you hold AA (or some other premium hand), you want to raise, reraise and cap the betting pre-flop while getting called by every other player at the table. You should not want any of your opponents to fold pre-flop. You should not want to narrow the field. You want them to put in the maximum amount of money in the pot when they are a huge underdog. | ||
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| Re: Low Limit HE, Big Frank, 5. Nov 2002 06:42 | ||
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| Dynasty, I'm not sure I agree with you. I believe that big pairs are played better against fewer opponents, so your raise strategy is sound, but not to get callers, but to get folks out of the pot. In low limit, as Rob states, everybody is calling and straights and flushes, and trips are often rivered, so a big pair isn't that valuable against many people. Conversly, if one is holding a high (not necessarily the nut) flush draw, the pot odds with many callers will outweigh the card odds and it is sometimes good strategy (in the long run), to chase. Thoughts? on 5. Nov 2002 01:25 Dynasty wrote: > One thing you need to change is your philosophical approach to the game. When you hold AA (or some other premium hand), you want to raise, reraise and cap the betting pre-flop while getting called by every other player at the table. You should not want any of your opponents to fold pre-flop. You should not want to narrow the field. You > want them to put in the maximum amount of money in the pot when they are a huge > underdog. > > | ||
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| Re: Low Limit HE, Joe MacDougall, 5. Nov 2002 11:28 | ||
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| Hey, I agree with Dynasty's point of view. In these insane loose games with 8 people seeing every flop hand values change. As Roy Cooke said, some hands increease in value, others decrease in value. What Dynasty was getting at was how you must learn to deal with the game. You are going to win much fewer pots in this type of game. However, the ones you will win will be huge. If know I probably have the best hand (AA, KK, AKs etc.) preflop, I want to get as much money (and callers) involved as possible. The key thing, is realize that you will have to give up your hand a lot of the times and you are not going to win the majority of the time. What does, "AA plays better against fewer opponents?" Does that mean it makes the most money (bigger EV) over the long run? Does it mean you will win more pots? I think many people confuse EV with winning pots. Against 8 typical hands, AA may only win 25% of the time (3:1) But while you are getting your money in preflop with 7 callers you are getting 7:1 pot odds. Against only 2 opponents, AA may win 65% of the time (1:2) . But you are only getting 2:1 pot odds. Just realize that winning more small pots is like winning less big pots. Just realize that in these types of games you might lose 3 of 4 pots you enter. It doesn't matter how good your cards are. on 5. Nov 2002 06:42 Big Frank wrote: > Dynasty, I'm not sure I agree with you. I believe that big pairs are played better against > fewer opponents, so your raise strategy is sound, but not to get callers, but to get folks > out of the pot. In low limit, as Rob states, everybody is calling and straights and > flushes, and trips are often rivered, so a big pair isn't that valuable against many > people. > Conversly, if one is holding a high (not necessarily the nut) flush draw, the pot odds > with many callers will outweigh the card odds and it is sometimes good strategy (in the > long run), to chase. > Thoughts? > > on 5. Nov 2002 01:25 Dynasty wrote: > > One thing you need to change is your philosophical approach to the game. When you hold > AA (or some other premium hand), you want to raise, reraise and cap the betting pre-flop > while getting called by every other player at the table. You should not want any of your > opponents to fold pre-flop. You should not want to narrow the field. You > > want them to put in the maximum amount of money in the pot when they are a huge > > underdog. > > > > | ||
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| Re: Low Limit HE, Vincent Merlino, 5. Nov 2002 21:00 | ||
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| I play a lot in the low limit games. The first book I read was "Winning Low Limit Hold'em" by Lee Jones. It gave me a good starting point but the tight agressive style did not seem to be very profitable. I would constantly get AA,AK, or any other premium starting hand beaten by some idiot in the blind calling with 7 2. I changed my style after reading Sklansky's section on loose games in "Hold'em Poker for advanced players". If you can limp in with a lot of hands then you should because your going to outplay people if you hit your hand and if you don't then you just get rid of it. I often limp in with K-X suited now from late position. If you hit your hand then you win a big pot because of all the bad players calling you. If you don't hit your hand it only cost you $2. | ||
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