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 pocket nines in the big blind, TOM WAGGONER, 4. Nov 2002 16:57 | ||
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| I get a pair of nines in the BB in a 20-40 game, and 5 players limped and the small blind called as did I. It turned out to be a pretty good flop 8c 5h2s. Since my hand was probably good, I decided to try to thin the field with a checkraise. I checked, and unbelievably everyone else checked as well. I thought to myself that i just really fucked up, and gave everyone a free card. The turn was another 8h, it seemed like a good card for me being that everyone checked the flop. The small blind checked I bet, and everyone folded to the small blind who raised it. What a delimma I thought, could he have possibly checked an 8 twiced. I knew very little about these players, because I had not been there long before this hand came up and I was in strange territory. I would like to know how others might play this hand in the same cicumstances. I will post results later | ||
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| Re: pocket nines in the big blind, Lee Vaughn, 4. Nov 2002 17:07 | ||
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| My first thought would have been to bet outright after the flop. I don't think the nines are strong enough for a check-raise and you are vulnerable to overcards, especially if it gets checked around and the turn brings something scary. The second eight would worry me a bit with all the limpers in who could have almost anything. I would have checked again since someone could have easily made trips. Lee | ||
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| Re: pocket nines in the big blind, Andrew Wells, 4. Nov 2002 17:10 | ||
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| It may appear to some players when you bet the turn that you are attempting to pick up the pot. Since you still want to thin the field, you can think about a checkraise again on the turn. It seems better to let someone else try to steal even though they all checked the flop. | ||
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| Re: pocket nines in the big blind, Kevin J, 4. Nov 2002 18:48 | ||
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| As long as there were some aggressive players on your right, I think your check/raise attempt on the flop was reasonable. In my experience, it's a rarity for five 20-40 players to check it down the line like that. Having missed the check/raise on the flop, I think you can often go for another check/raise on the turn, since it's even rarer for all 5 to check again, and you have no reason to believe anyone has an eight. As for you calling the check/raise.. I hate to cop out, but I really think it depends. Would he semi-bluff a strong draw like 76 or 43s? Or would he put you to the test with a hand like a pair of fives (especially A5) after everyone else folds? I'm not opposed to you 3-betting in this spot. He may not play back even with an eight, and it might make someone else think twice before playing back at you. IMO- | ||
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| Re: pocket nines in the big blind, Dan Chio, 4. Nov 2002 21:16 | ||
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| I am surprised it got checked around on the flop. It's close to 50/50 for me as to whether to bet out on the flop or to go for the check-raise. Both are viable options in my mind. On the turn, when the SB check-raises you, I go ahead and 3 bet it...then on the river, it's a close decision between betting again or checking it down (this is if the SB calls your 40 on the turn). Later, Dan | ||
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| Re: pocket nines in the big blind, Roy Cooke, 4. Nov 2002 21:29 | ||
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| Hi Tom If i would checkraise would depend on the texture of my opponets. If aggressive players were near the button I would go for the checkraise. If the field were passive I would lead out. As far as the chjeckraise goes, if I would pay this off would also be based on the texture of my opponent. Would he bluff that spot? Does he seem like an aggressive sort of fellow? Does he like to checkraise? (thereby increasing the chances that he has a hand). I have no set policy of how or if I pay players off....I do it solely based on feel and price in the situation that is current. Roy Cooke on 4. Nov 2002 16:57 TOM WAGGONER wrote: > I get a pair of nines in the BB in a 20-40 game, and 5 players limped and the > small blind called as did I. It turned out to be a pretty good flop 8c 5h2s. > Since my hand was probably good, I decided to try to thin the field with a > checkraise. I checked, and unbelievably everyone else checked as well. I thought > to myself that i just really fucked up, and gave everyone a free card. The turn > was another 8h, it seemed like a good card for me being that everyone checked > the flop. The small blind checked I bet, and everyone folded to the small blind > who raised it. What a delimma I thought, could he have possibly checked an 8 > twiced. I knew very little about these players, because I had not been there > long before this hand came up and I was in strange territory. I would like to > know how others might play this hand in the same cicumstances. I will post > results later | ||
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| Re: pocket nines in the big blind, Zeno, 4. Nov 2002 22:30 | ||
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| I am curious as to why you did not raise out of the BB preflop. You may have thinned the field some and also gained information on the hands you were against. Plus, you probably had the best hand preflop. In my opinion, you should have bet the flop. The rest of hand post flop would have to be played by your table feel and reads on the other players. -Zeno | ||
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| Re: pocket nines in the big blind, Dynasty, 5. Nov 2002 01:19 | ||
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| Why do you expect to thin the field with a raise out of the big blind after 6 players have voluntarily entered the pot? What hands are players going to limp with and then fold to one more bet in a 7-way pot? And what information are you going to gain? Unless you get limp-reraised, you will see all six of your opponents call your raise at least 99% of the time. | ||
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| Re: pocket nines in the big blind, Zeno, 5. Nov 2002 18:50 | ||
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| Good to see you here Dynasty. Your points are valid. You may not gain that much useful information. Still, I like the raise Idea. For instance, if you had pocket kings you may also raise and get called by everyone also. Do you not raise? Well, maybe or maybe not. Pocket nines is not as good as kings but it probably was the best hand preflop (since everyone limped) and with the most probable best hand raising is not that bad of a play. It may set up more options for you later on in the hand also. Others may think differently. That is fine; I have no qualms about that at all. It was simply a suggestion and a subjective opinion. Regards, -Zeno | ||
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| Re: pocket nines in the big blind, TOM WAGGONER, 5. Nov 2002 01:56 | ||
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| I just called his checkraise on the turn, and spiked a nine on the river for the full. He bet out the river, and I raised him and got reraised, so i raised back, he called and had A8. I got a big break on the river, but can you imagine someone checking top pair top kicker twiced in that situation? He flung his cards in the muck mumbling something, I wanted to tell him that it was his own fault, but I don't think that it would have been very appropriate. | ||
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| Re: pocket nines in the big blind, 3Kings, 5. Nov 2002 07:34 | ||
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| His flop action was just like yours: check-raise. If he leads the turn, he probably doesn't get any action because no one bet the flop. His only way to make money is for someone to try to steal and he can check-raise. His actions make sense. You got lucky. | ||
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