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 NL advice!, Hatchet Harry, 2. Nov 2002 07:06 | ||
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| Your at a very loose table in the early rounds of a NLHE tourney with $10,000 starting chips. Your on the button and hold AA. 5 limpers you put in a small raise to $500, you get the BB and 4 cold callers. There is $3150 flop comes Qh, 2d, 7d. It's checked to you, you bet the pot and get 1 early position caller. There is $9450 in the pot and the turn comes Ac. Early position bets $3000 what do you do? I had this situation, and as I had the virtual nuts and was putting the early position on a flush draw. I re-raised all in and got called. River was a diamond and i was on the rail. I know the above hand is a basic problem but the reason i'm posting this is becuase I was fairly certain the early position was on a flush draw and I was almost certain he would call my raise. So should i have gone all in, when the tourney was a freeze out. I know I had the odds on my side, but recently I have played a number of hands aggresively and early on in the tourney like the one above only to be dumped out to a drawing hand. Should you just take the knocks and know that if you keep playing this way, the odds will tip in your favour in future tourney's or should you be concentrating on chip conservation unless you've got the absolute nuts? I will be investing in a NL tourney book soon, but any advice in the meantime would be appreciated. Cheers HH | ||
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| Re: NL advice!, Dynasty, 2. Nov 2002 11:14 | ||
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| Push it all in and hope they call. | ||
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| Re: NL advice!, Charles Kincy, 2. Nov 2002 15:55 | ||
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| You gotta get your money in there with the best hand. Sometimes they get lucky and draw out. That's life. Were it not for this random element, bad players wouldn't play and you'd have no chance to win their money. I've set someone all-in with top set vs. one pair and they've caught runner-runner to make quads. It's possible for you to play your entire life and never have that happen to you. That's literally the worst beat you can take in hold 'em. But still, it's going to happen occasionally...hopefully never to you. ;) | ||
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| Re: NL advice!, Joe MacDougall, 2. Nov 2002 19:05 | ||
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| Hey, You wrote: "I was fairly certain the early position was on a flush draw and I was almost certain he would call my raise. So should i have gone all in, when the tourney was a freeze out." Of course you should go all-in. The only situation in which you wouldn't go all-in knowing you had the best hand is if it is a marginal one (i.e close to a 50/50 proposition). If you are a good player, you should wait until you have a better opportunity to get your chips in. There are other situations as well; like when you are close to being in the money. In this situation even if you are 100 % certain he is on a flush draw , or for that matter a flush draw with a gutshot (if he had KJ or JT). With one card to come he has between 7 and 10 outs, at most, to beat you. You are a 4:1 favourite. You win the hand 80% of the time. This is not a marginal situation. You want all your chips in at this point, and you want to be called. There is not a poker player in the world good enough to wait for a better situation to push all of his chips in. You also wrote: "I know I had the odds on my side, but recently I have played a number of hands aggresively and early on in the tourney like the one above only to be dumped out to a drawing hand." Well, if you got all your chips in against a drawing hand with hands more vulnerable than the one above, then you may have made a mistake. Pushing all your chips in (even with the best hand at the moment) in a close to even money situation early on in a tournament is usually wrong for a superb player. Now, if you are a weak player against tough competition , pushing all-in when you only slightly have the best of it is correct ! One more thing: if by freezout you mean a single table tournament where the blinds escalate quickly, getting all in when you are a favourite (even a slight one) is now correct since you cannot afford to sit and wait for better opportunities. Later, JM | ||
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