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 KTd In late position, HOSH, 29. Oct 2002 21:47 | ||
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| Recently 4 callers called in front of me with me being 1 from the button with KTd. The button calls and the two blind calls. I have no history on the players. Should I have raised to eliminate the blinds and the button. The flop comes down T 7 3. One person in front of me bets I raise and the button reraises. Should I fold or call. The turn comes another T. 1st position checks. I bet and the button calls. The river comes 8. I bet and button calls. Let me know your thoughts as I have no history on the players. My thoughts should be raise before the flop to eliminate the button and blinds. Increasing my win percentage by as much as 20 percent. Betting on the turn was ok. But probably should have check raised the turn. The button won with a set of 33. | ||
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| Re: KTd In late position, Jim Brier, 29. Oct 2002 21:55 | ||
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| With four players already committed, you should have no desire to eliminate the blinds with K-T suited. You want players in, not out with a dubious suited holding like this one. Try to get in as cheap as possible and hope to catch a good flop. On the flop, I would not fold when 3-bet by the button having top pair, excellent kicker although you may be trouble if he has specifically A-T. But the button could be 3-betting a weaker Ten or he may be on a straight-draw trying for a free card at this point. I would play the turn and the river as you did having turned trips with an excellent kicker. I don't understand why the button did not raise your turn bet having made a full house. | ||
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| Re: KTd In late position, TOM WAGGONER, 29. Oct 2002 21:59 | ||
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| I don't think you want to raise this hand preflop, you want the added action, you have a drawing hand. I like the raise on the flop, and i also like the fact that you bet back into him on the turn despite being raised on the flop. I think his calling you down was bad, he should have popped it on the turn or river clearly. | ||
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| Re: KTd In late position, Charles Kincy, 30. Oct 2002 18:25 | ||
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| In a loose game, you can raise before the flop for value. KTs is a money favorite already, and you probably won't lose the button or the blinds. But in a normal game, you should just call (but raise with KQ, for example, as you can often get a free card on the flop that way, especially in a game with a lot of check-raisers). The pot is large on the flop so there is more than one way to play it. You had no reason to suspect that you didn't have the best hand. I disagree with check-raising the turn...there are several tactical and psychological reasons why that is wrong, especially if you intend to maintain the lead in the hand anyway. Just be glad you didn't lose the extra BB as it is. | ||
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| Re: KTd In late position, Piers Shepperson, 31. Oct 2002 09:35 | ||
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| Pre Flop: You are right not to raised to eliminate the blinds and the button. However I would raise for value (assuming the action is typical so far) hoping that the button and blinds will call. Flop: You do not say whether there any diamonds on the flop. I assume it is heads up when you have the decision to call or four bet. With no diamonds on the flop call ok. Turn/River: Fine. Looks like you are at about Big Bet above par for the hand, keep it up and you’re a big winner. | ||
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| Re: KTd In late position, Roy Cooke, 1. Nov 2002 15:17 | ||
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| It was a strangely played hand. I would not raise to eliminate the blinds with 4 callers as the hand is a volume hand. I can make a case for raising to gain the button, but I would probably make the same pre-flop play as you made if I had little information on my opponents! I would not have bet the turn since my opponent would bet almost any hand he three bet that was worse than mine and raise with ones that beat mine (He should have raised you with threes full). I don't think you should checkraise the turn as not very many three bet hands on the flop are beaten by your hand! Roy Cooke on 29. Oct 2002 21:47 HOSH wrote: > Recently 4 callers called in front of me with me being 1 from the button with > KTd. The button calls and the two blind calls. I have no history on the players. > Should I have raised to eliminate the blinds and the button. The flop comes down > T 7 3. One person in front of me bets I raise and the button reraises. Should I > fold or call. The turn comes another T. 1st position checks. I bet and the > button calls. > The river comes 8. I bet and button calls. Let me know your thoughts as I have > no history on the players. My thoughts should be raise before the flop to > eliminate the button and blinds. Increasing my win percentage by as much as 20 > percent. Betting on the turn was ok. But probably should have check raised the > turn. The button won with a set of 33. | ||
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