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 Raising more when the players are extremely bad, Soh, 27. Oct 2002 05:12 | ||
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| Hello, In a loose game, according to Sklansky & Malmuth, in general you should not raise with offsuit hand except AK. But what if the players are extremely bad? That means they cold-call raise with any Ax, Kx, Qx, connector (up to 3 gappers,) suited cards, and pair. In other words, if you raise with AQo, you'll get called by a hand that has a little chance to win against AQ (like Q7.) Should I still just call with AQ or raise and put more money in the pot? Thanks Soh | ||
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| Re: Raising more when the players are extremely bad, jim grass, 27. Oct 2002 07:45 | ||
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| against multi way loose players keep to strong drawing hands.yes preferably suited. move up as soon as your game is decent jim on 27. Oct 2002 05:12 Soh wrote: > Hello, > > In a loose game, according to Sklansky & Malmuth, in general you should not > raise with offsuit hand except AK. > But what if the players are extremely bad? That means they cold-call raise with > any Ax, Kx, Qx, connector (up to 3 gappers,) suited cards, and pair. In other > words, if you raise with AQo, you'll get called by a hand that has a little > chance to win against AQ (like Q7.) > > Should I still just call with AQ or raise and put more money in the pot? > > Thanks > > Soh > | ||
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| Re: Raising more when the players are extremely bad, Kevin J, 27. Oct 2002 08:58 | ||
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| I think the distinction needs to be made between a "loose game" and "loose players". With AQo you certainly don't mind AXs taking a flop. If they'll play for 2 bets all the better. But ironically, you'd rather have a hand like 98s fold. So if THESE type of hands (98s) are going to come anyway, I'd rather keep the pot small until I see the flop. IMO- | ||
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| Re: Raising more when the players are extremely bad, Roy Cooke, 27. Oct 2002 10:04 | ||
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| Hello It depends...if you have position...think it might give you a free card or your hand will play better for some reason if you raise, then you should raise. However, high unsuited cards DO go down in value with volume! Roy Cooke on 27. Oct 2002 05:12 Soh wrote: > Hello, > > In a loose game, according to Sklansky & Malmuth, in general you should not > raise with offsuit hand except AK. > But what if the players are extremely bad? That means they cold-call raise with > any Ax, Kx, Qx, connector (up to 3 gappers,) suited cards, and pair. In other > words, if you raise with AQo, you'll get called by a hand that has a little > chance to win against AQ (like Q7.) > > Should I still just call with AQ or raise and put more money in the pot? > > Thanks > > Soh > | ||
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| Re: Raising more when the players are extremely bad, Jim Brier, 27. Oct 2002 10:26 | ||
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| My tendency is to raise with A-Q offsuit if fewer than 3 players limp in ahead of me especially if I think I might get the players behind me to fold. It is true that you really punish guys who limp in with ace-rag type hands. But the problem is that against a large field you will probably have to make top pair or better to win and players holding aces make it more difficult for you to improve. I definitely avoid raising with A-Q offsuit if 4 or more opponents seem committed to taking a flop. | ||
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| Re: Raising more when the players are extremely bad, Andrew Wells, 27. Oct 2002 11:05 | ||
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| In the very loose game you describe, a preflop raise will often then have more than 10 small bets in the pot on the flop. It's now going to be hard for someone holding top pair to win without further improving. Anyone with a gut shot will have proper odds to see the turn for one bet. They are also going to be making less of a mistake to continue to the river. If I'm holding two big unsuited cards in such a game, I need something better than just top pair on the flop. I need top pair with an uncoordinated board, or some other chances like an inside draw or backdoor posibilities. When everyone sees the flop for one or two bets, the winning hand is going to be close to the nuts much more often. Top pair by itself is too far from the best possible hand. You get to drive the action for all the chasers who are then not making post flop mistakes, and you really don't know if any turn or river card is safe when two random hole cards are out there catching their second pair. The best advice is to keep the pot small until you do make something, so that when the chasers do call after the flop they are at least more likely to be making a mistake. | ||
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