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 $80-$160 Hand, Jim Brier, 24. Oct 2002 23:47 | ||
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| I would like to know if I played this hand correctly. I am in the big blind with the 9s-8s. Two early players and two middle players limp. The button raises. The small blind calls. I call. The other players call. There is $1120 in the pot and seven players. The flop arrives with: 7s-6s-6d, giving me an open-end straight-flush draw. The small blind checks. I bet. It is folded to the button who calls. The small blind folds. There is $1280 in the pot and two players. The turn is the 7h, putting two pair on the table. I bet. The button calls. There is $1600 in the pot. The river is the Jc. I bet. The button calls. The button wins a $1920 pot having the Ah-Kh. Should I have played this any differently? | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, mesajohnp, 25. Oct 2002 06:40 | ||
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| The second pair only encourages the ak call, I guess I would play the hand in the same mannor as you did however you just cannot win without the max out card. | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, BLUESMAN, 25. Oct 2002 07:44 | ||
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| Hi Jim, I think your play was automatic,it's just a hand you were destined to lose.I find the button's play more interesting,would you have gone all the way had you had his hand? | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, Mark, 25. Oct 2002 10:35 | ||
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| Hi Jim I don't think i'm qualified to analyze your play but here's my thoughts. Your play to the turn was automatic. But on the river I question your bet. I don't know how you play or how your opponent plays or what you know of each other but from his point of view, what could you have. You wouldn't have bet out a full house, trips, or quads on the flop in early position with 5 others to act behind you ( or maybe you would, i'm guessing ) If you were on a draw you didn't make it. so to win in a show down you would probably have a A-7, K-7, ( would you actually call a raise with these even in the BB). Other than that you could have a medium pocket pair or A-J, K-J. Would you re-raise pre-flop with a medium pair, or A-J. So his turn call would indicate to me that he put you on a busted draw, otherwise he was drawing dead. If he put you on a medium pair he would have had pot odds to call, but what medium pair would you play and not raise with in that situation? ( I don't know your play) On the river your bet gave him 11-1 odds. Would you call? Mark P.S. I've never even come close to playing at the $80-160 level. | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, Hatchet Harry, 25. Oct 2002 10:40 | ||
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| I hav'nt read the other comments yet but with 7 players taking the flop, and assuming the button would be the type of player to bet if it was checked round to him, I would've checked the flop and then raised if the button was the first to come in with a bet. I might have just called if it was another player as I would be worried about the set! But that's probably why i'm still in low limits LOL! HH | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, Lee Jones, 25. Oct 2002 14:56 | ||
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| Hi Jim! 1. I just found out about this site. Cool. 2. You promised once that you would start talking about your hands [1] in bet units rather than dollar units. But you've continued to use dollar units. Apparently your argument goes "Poker players think about dollars, not bets." Over on 2+2, somebody very correctly responded with, "Most poker players are losers. Presumably we who are reading you are interested in becoming better poker players." Indeed, we could argue that most poker players don't read poker books, so why bother writing them? I don't have a lot of time to do recreational web-surfing. If I'm going to stop and read your posts, it would make my life much easier if you would talk in SB's and/or BB's. 3. I'm not comfortable with "Did I play this correctly?" My 15-year-old stepson keeps asking me questions like, "What's the best rock song?" Or (a telling question, "Is the Who or J.S. Bach better?" "Correct" is such a loaded term, and ill-defined in this (and most subjective) arena. Let's just start out with, "Hmmm - I was wondering about the following hand I played..." 4. The way you played it is perfectly reasonable. Too bad your monster draw didn't get there and he made a thin call on the river. Regards, Lee [1] Which I find very interesting. | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, Roy Cooke, 26. Oct 2002 11:21 | ||
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| The only way I might have played this diffently is to check the river if I had the impression that he had an ace and would call. That said if he may not and there was a chance you could fold the best hand you are getting a good price on the bluff! Roy Cooke on 24. Oct 2002 23:47 Jim Brier wrote: > I would like to know if I played this hand correctly. I am in the big blind with > the 9s-8s. Two early players and two middle players limp. The button raises. The > small blind calls. I call. The other players call. There is $1120 in the pot and > seven players. The flop arrives with: 7s-6s-6d, giving me an open-end > straight-flush draw. The small blind checks. I bet. It is folded to the button > who calls. The small blind folds. There is $1280 in the pot and two players. The > turn is the 7h, putting two pair on the table. I bet. The button calls. There is > $1600 in the pot. The river is the Jc. I bet. The button calls. The button wins > a $1920 pot having the Ah-Kh. > > Should I have played this any differently? | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, Michael Casana, 26. Oct 2002 11:31 | ||
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| Hi Jim, Let me start by saing that I enjoy reading your posts and the replies they bring about. I am not in any position to say that you didn't make the correct play but this hand I would not have played the way you did. In my opinion the play you made was not "automatic". The flop turns your speculative hand into a good draw hand. I would have checked the flop for the following reasons: (1) Even though I have a good draw hand I haven't made my hand yet. My starting point would therefore be to try to make my hand as cheaply as possible. By betting out I eliminate the (maybe remote) possibility that I could get the turn card for free. I also risk a raise behind me on a draw hand that I "could not" release. (2) If I make my hand I would like to have as many players in on the hand as possible to pay me off. There are ways to make my hand that could possibly "trap" one or more opponent(s), e.g. a neutral 10 on the turn card giving me the highest possible straight and setting someone up with A-10 - or what about 10s or 5s making the (nut) flush for someone else. (3) I know that there is a risk that I would make a "second best" hand against multiple players, e.g. Qs giving me a Q high flush against a second nut or nut flush - or 2s giving me a flush and at the same time making it deuces full of 6's for one of the limpers. However, players holding such hands would certainly - or at least most likely - call me to see the turn card anyway. (4) I could opt to bet as a bluff/semi-bluff, i.e. I may get everyone to fold and take down the pot or hope to make my hand if they don't. But then I would probably still have chosen to check the flop (an possibly get the turn card for free) and instead raise (depending on the actual bets made) when it comes back to me. This play could indicate that I have in fact connected with the board but realize I may very well be drawn out, i.e. a check-raise to make it as expensive as possible to try and chase me down. I am sure that the button - who would probably have been the one to make any bet here - would have had a harder time calling me on the river if he had been raised on the flop, i.e. it would have made it much more difficult for him to "justify" automatically calling for a showdown with AK. Actually, I think just calling any bet from the button (instead of betting out) could have made him think I had something (better than A high) since I go along. Thus, the bluff bet on the river would have had a higher chance of success (especially, if I in the same game earlier on took down a pot or two in a similar way, e.g. by betting second pair on the board figuring my opponent did not have the top pair). Just some thoughts. Michael Casana | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, Andrew Wells, 27. Oct 2002 12:32 | ||
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| I prefer to try for a checkraise on the flop with that many outs. Your hand is still disguised if you show strength early, and it's not a disaster if no one bets. Since you're going to the river anyway, it may be harder for someone to assume you missed should you not make a hand. | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, ERH, 29. Oct 2002 07:37 | ||
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| I would have folded pre-flop. Got to be a big underdog. Sure, if you hit you will make a small fortune, but I dont like the odds. | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, Bill Murphy, 29. Oct 2002 16:15 | ||
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| With the 6.5 extra big bets in there, IMO 98s is definitely playable here. | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, Bill Murphy, 29. Oct 2002 16:10 | ||
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| I don't know about "should", but you could've maybe tried for a check-raise on the flop or turn. Nothing wrong w/your play, though. | ||
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| Re: $80-$160 Hand, BreadnButter, 2. Nov 2002 21:05 | ||
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| The only thing i might have done differently is check raise the flop if it is checked to the button. Then see who calls or reraises. You are going to the river anyway with such an incredible draw.. if you hit just keep betting it... or if you miss its your choice for the free cards. But i can also see playing it the way you did as being ok too. I know i wouldnt call the river bet with the AK. BreadnButter | ||
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