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 K-J vs. A-Q, Mark, 23. Oct 2002 10:42 | ||
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| Recently in the late stages of two different online tournaments, I got the same starting cards (hold'em) in simular circumstances. I was wondering what you guys would do in the same situations. 1. I'm heads up for all the marbles (payout is $25, $10, $5) and get Kh, Jd and raise pre-flop only to get reraised. My opponent had been very tight once the table became shorthanded and the limits increased. I called. I think this was a mistake. we both had $4000 in chips and if i folded it would have been 6000 vs 2000. I figured he must have a hand at least as good as mine. He would not reraise as a bluff or with small pair. Is a calling the pre-flop reraise smart here as I'm basically all in if I call. If i fold i still have a chance. Anyway, it took me another bet to realize he had an ace, actually he had AQ offsuit. 2. In the second tournament there are 3 of us left and i'm short stacked, around $800 with limits of 400-800. I'm in the SB when I get KhJd. I plan on raising bet the button raises first. The table had be very tight for the last few hands and this player wouldn't raise with a hand worse than mine. If I call I'm all in. I folded. The BB called with rags ( stack leader) and the SB won with AQ offsuit (!) The flop of course came 9, 10, Q. So what would you guys do? Both opponents were very tight at the time of these hands. | ||
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| Re: K-J vs. A-Q, whiskeytown, 23. Oct 2002 10:59 | ||
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| uggghh... AQ is a 62.6 percent favorite...(assuming your suits don't overlap...he's even better if his suits match yours cause he'll have better flush draws) my problem would be this....whereas I wouldn't even touch KJ offsuit in a tourney, once you get down to 2/3 players....it's a pretty good hand. but if you're sure these guys are tight (I had the same issue recently where I knew a guy would raise with an A and call with a K) - then I'd dump it and wait for a better shot.... and A or small pair is usually a 50/50 fav....playing K high is just asking for trouble. just my 2 cents...of course, it's fine to limp in with...esp. short handed...but I'd get out once the pressure started rising. RB | ||
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| Re: K-J vs. A-Q, Mike Caro, 23. Oct 2002 23:21 | ||
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| on 23. Oct 2002 10:42 Mark wrote: > Recently in the late stages of two different online tournaments, I got the same > starting cards (hold'em) in simular circumstances. I was wondering what you > guys would do in the same situations. > > 1. I'm heads up for all the marbles (payout is $25, $10, $5) and get Kh, Jd > and raise pre-flop only to get reraised. My opponent had been very tight once > the table became shorthanded and the limits increased. I called. I think this > was a mistake. we both had $4000 in chips and if i folded it would have been > 6000 vs 2000. I figured he must have a hand at least as good as mine. He would > not reraise as a bluff or with small pair. Is a calling the pre-flop reraise > smart here as I'm basically all in if I call. If i fold i still have a > chance. > > Anyway, it took me another bet to realize he had an ace, actually he had AQ > offsuit. > > 2. In the second tournament there are 3 of us left and i'm short stacked, > around $800 with limits of 400-800. I'm in the SB when I get KhJd. I plan on > raising bet the button raises first. The table had be very tight for the last > few hands and this player wouldn't raise with a hand worse than mine. If I call > I'm all in. I folded. The BB called with rags ( stack leader) and the SB won > with AQ offsuit (!) The flop of course came 9, 10, Q. > > So what would you guys do? Both opponents were very tight at the time of these > hands. Hi, Mark -- Your play was acceptable in both cases. Even if you knew positively that your opponent had an ace when he raised, in the first instance, you could still call that raise. But, he might not. He might be posturing with a hand even weaker than yours or have a pair smaller than jacks, in which case you'll only be a slight underdog. In the second case, you can probably afford to sit out the hand, as you did, but it depends on how aggessive the player on the button is and, to some degree, the total number of chips against you and the way they are divided among the two other opponents. Without knowing more, I can't fault you for either decision. The second K-J was potentially playable, though. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: K-J vs. A-Q, JOHN MCKETHEN, 24. Oct 2002 12:43 | ||
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| It would have been a good laydown in the 1st case but not one that I would have made. You have great heads up cards and have to be VERY sure of your read for that laydown to be correct. On the 2nd hand, I think that you have to play the hand. You have only one maor hand to go before you are all in on random cards and here you are getting great odds on a very good short handed card combo. CALL all in. Luck to you. John | ||
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