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 Why'd he do that? (medium), Eexcuseme, 16. Oct 2002 19:00 | ||
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| Playing in a 3-6 game a while ago. UTG is a pretty regular by the book player. I find myself with K?-Qho in late postion. The blinds, UTG, one early position player and myself see the flop. Flop comes K(not hearts), 3h and 5h. Checked to UTG who bets. I consider what he has and decide he has a K but not A-k or K-K. He'd have raised those hands. I don't think he has 3-3 or 5-5 since he was in early position and wouldn't play small pairs up front. The player between us calls and I raise thinking that I'll make any flush draws pay and hopefully get heads up with a player I've got outkicked. The blinds fold and then the UTG re-raises. The player between us folds and I'm puzzled. I call, partly because of image and partly because I'm not good enough to fold. Turn comes a blank and the UTG checks. This has bothered me for some time. Why would a decent player 3 bet the flop and then check the turn? I check because I have no idea where I'm at in the hand. River is a 5s. UTG bets and I call. I feel his check on the turn indicated some weakness and I want to know what hand he'd 3 bet and then check with. He turns over K-Qo. A K but not A-K or K-K just like he's supposed to have. SO, what did I do wrong here? How could I have done better? Lastly, why would he 3 bet the flop and the check the turn? Eexcuseme | ||
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| Re: Why'd he do that? (medium), Roy Cooke, 17. Oct 2002 05:03 | ||
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| My answers are going to be inbetween the questions! Roy Cooke on 16. Oct 2002 19:00 Eexcuseme wrote: > Playing in a 3-6 game a while ago. UTG is a pretty regular by the book player. > I find myself with K?-Qho in late postion. The blinds, UTG, one early position > player and myself see the flop. Flop comes K(not hearts), 3h and 5h. Checked > to UTG who bets. I consider what he has and decide he has a K but not A-k or > K-K. He'd have raised those hands. I don't think he has 3-3 or 5-5 since he > was in early position and wouldn't play small pairs up front. The player > between us calls and I raise thinking that I'll make any flush draws pay and > hopefully get heads up with a player I've got outkicked. The blinds fold and > then the UTG re-raises. The player between us folds and I'm puzzled. I call, > partly because of image and partly because I'm not good enough to fold. Turn > comes a blank and the UTG checks. I think you thinking is sound and you have played the hand well so far. I may raise with that hand in late position....but calling can be correct depending upon the texture of your opponents. > > This has bothered me for some time. Why would a decent player 3 bet the flop > and then check the turn? There can be several reasons...he may be check-raising the turn or he may be on a draw....or he may have a hand in which he was trying to shut out the other player but questions if his hand is better than yours. > > I check because I have no idea where I'm at in the hand. River is a 5s. I would have bet! Even though I may be unsure of where I am at in the hand I would take an aggressive approach. If I give a free card to a hand which would have called I have lost the expectation of that bet! If I get raised...yes I have a tough decision to make and I do understand that...but an aggressive approach to poker is generally correct. UTG > bets and I call. I feel his check on the turn indicated some weakness and I > want to know what hand he'd 3 bet and then check with. > > He turns over K-Qo. A K but not A-K or K-K just like he's supposed to have. > > > SO, what did I do wrong here? How could I have done better? Lastly, why > would he 3 bet the flop and the check the turn? If you think his check on the turn indicated weakness you should have bet the turn. In this scenario it would have worked out the same. You seem like you lean toward being timid at the poker table. Aggressive play of solid cards is generally the better style of play! Roy Cooke > > > Eexcuseme | ||
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| Re: Why'd he do that? (medium), Rich P., 17. Oct 2002 11:50 | ||
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| Some possible reasons he played the hand as he did: Your read is good, but probably a little too tight. KQ is a decent hand, and depending on the game, may be playable UTG. You were right that he had didn't have KK or AK, so KQ should have been on you list of possible hands he could have. Now he bet the flop, because you ckecked. My question: Why would you slowplay your hand? According to your read, he couldn't have had a better hand than you. He would have been forced to choose between raising and folding, and probably would have raised knocking out the third player. In the end the play worked fine, because you ended up spliting the third player's money. He three bet, because his hand was weak. He wanted to either knock the third player out or make the flush draw pay. He checked the turn, because he had position on you and was worried about what you had. Being in the blind, you can have anything. You check-raised the flop indicating a very strong hand, including a flush draw. He didn't want to get punished by another checkraise and didn't feel he would be able to knock either of you out since both his opponents had put in three bets on the flop. His bet on the end is questionable. He may have felt that both missed the flush may call with second pair. The above should give you some idea has to what your opponent may have been thinking. | ||
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