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 $100-$200 Hand, Jim Brier, 7. Oct 2002 18:06 | ||
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| This is a 9-handed $60-$120 game with a kill to $100-$200 at Casino Arizona. The under-the-gun player has the kill, so he puts up $100. An early player limps. It is folded to me and I limp having the As-5s. The button folds and both blinds call. The under-the-gun player now raises to $200. Everyone calls. There is $1000 in the pot and five players. The flop is: Js-6s-5d, giving me the nut-flush draw with a pair. The small blind comes out betting. The big blind and the under-teh-gun player fold. The early player raises to $200. I have 9 flush outs, 2 outs to trips, and 3 outs to aces-up. I make it $300. The small blind now folds and the early player calls. There is $1700 in the pot and two players. The turn is the 9h. My lone opponent checks. I bet $200 hoping he will fold but having a lot of outs if he calls. He calls. There is $2100 in the pot. The river is the Ac. He bets $200. Should I make it $400 or just call? Second question: Was my 3-bet on the flop correct? I will post the results later. | ||
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| Re: $100-$200 Hand, Soh, 7. Oct 2002 18:35 | ||
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| Hi Jim I don't think he has AK because he didn't raise before the flop. He could be bluffing. Limping in the early position and raising the J-high flop, he can have AJ. Both cases, you should call. AQ and AT is possible, but was he kind of a player who raise with two over-cards (after someone raised before the flop) and call all the way to the river with A-high? What do you think of the chances that your hand is good when he CALLED? I will call. Soh | ||
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| Re: $100-$200 Hand, Andrew Wells, 7. Oct 2002 18:48 | ||
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| Just call the river. Even though you hit your minor out, this player raised the small blind's bet on the flop. It's reasonable to assume he has an ace when he checks to you and calls on the turn. Given the raise on the flop, it seems as likely he has AJ instead of either AK or AQ. You could also be looking at a reraise from JJ. I prefer not to reraise on the flop with this type of hand when the bet comes out of the blind. I would like to keep the small blind in the hand since I figure I have to hit to win with the pot this large. I doubt you can get the raiser to lay down on the turn as there's not much there for him to be on a draw - he has a legitimate hand. Furthermore I would want to keep the small blind in the hand to help protect getting bluffed off the best hand by two overcards incase the river is a blank. Please don't tell us you raised on the river and got three bet by the 8s7s. | ||
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| Re: $100-$200 Hand, BLUESMAN, 7. Oct 2002 20:14 | ||
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| Hi Jim, The 3 bet on the flop was clearly correct,it looks to me as though, unfortunately,you're against AJ, I see little point in raising so I'd just call. | ||
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| Results, Jim Brier, 7. Oct 2002 23:58 | ||
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| I just called, fearing A-J. I win as my opponent immediately mucked so I did not get to see his hand. | ||
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| Re: Results, BLUESMAN, 8. Oct 2002 07:41 | ||
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| Hi Jim,This is at least the second hand you've posted where your adversary has folded on the river in response to your call without ever seeing you hand,does this sort of thing happen often in,by my standards,the higher limits you play? I wish you would speculate as to what you think causes this seemingly irrational act. | ||
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| Re: Results, Jim Brier, 8. Oct 2002 09:59 | ||
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| I think at the higher limits, players avoid revealing thier hands. In this case, I am assuming the guy was on a draw that didn't get there. He tried to represent a top pair of aces at the river and folded when he got called knowing that he was beat. | ||
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| Re: $100-$200 Hand, Roy Cooke, 9. Oct 2002 12:39 | ||
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| Hi Jim Since he raised on the flop...what hand will he call you with that you can beat? If he will pay off anything and everything I would raise, but if he is a solid player I would be afraid that he had AJ! If he is the texture of player that would make a laydown with KJ or is unlikely to have an AQ texture of hand I would only call and hope that he is bluffing (or possibly value betting a KJ texture of hand that he would fold to a raise)! Yes, I agree with your three-bet on the flop. You take control of hte hand, increase your bluff pottential, increase your propesity to win...I don't think that play is close considering the pot size! P>S I have not looked at the results yet... I love the way you do this :-)! Roy Cooke on 7. Oct 2002 18:06 Jim Brier wrote: > This is a 9-handed $60-$120 game with a kill to $100-$200 at Casino Arizona. The > under-the-gun player has the kill, so he puts up $100. An early player limps. It > is folded to me and I limp having the As-5s. The button folds and both blinds > call. The under-the-gun player now raises to $200. Everyone calls. There is > $1000 in the pot and five players. The flop is: Js-6s-5d, giving me the > nut-flush draw with a pair. The small blind comes out betting. The big blind and > the under-teh-gun player fold. The early player raises to $200. I have 9 flush > outs, 2 outs to trips, and 3 outs to aces-up. I make it $300. The small blind > now folds and the early player calls. There is $1700 in the pot and two players. > The turn is the 9h. My lone opponent checks. I bet $200 hoping he will fold but > having a lot of outs if he calls. He calls. There is $2100 in the pot. The river > is the Ac. He bets $200. Should I make it $400 or just call? > > Second question: Was my 3-bet on the flop correct? > > I will post the results later. | ||
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| Re: $100-$200 Hand, Daniel Negreanu, 11. Oct 2002 03:26 | ||
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| Interesting hand Jim, and I definitely have some thoughts on it: on 7. Oct 2002 18:06 Jim Brier wrote: > This is a 9-handed $60-$120 game with a kill to $100-$200 at Casino Arizona. The > under-the-gun player has the kill, so he puts up $100. An early player limps. It > is folded to me and I limp having the As-5s. I raise here, but that's just me. I'm assuming you are in late position, with $290 in the pot already. Only one player has volunteraly put money in the pot, and a raise here might get you heads up with the limper. If not that, it could A) buy you the button B)buy you a free card on the flop C)set up an agressive semi-bluff on the flop. When there is dead money out there, I can get a little crazy :-) Of couirse, this stragegy heavily depends on WHO has the dead money in the pot already. . There is $2100 in the pot. The river > is the Ac. He bets $200. Should I make it $400 or just call? Uh, I know the answer to this one, it depends! :-) Actually, that's not totally true, most often, in the situation you described I don't see how a raise could be correct. Actually, I would think it would be a poor raise to be honest (hope you didn't raise, haven't checked results yet :-). What could he possibly have? He put in some action on the flop. He could have: A) Straight draw (he's bluffing) B) Set (we rule that out on the turn) C) Flush draw (he's bluffing) D) A-6 (he was semi bluffing and got there) E) A-5 (you tie, and there is no value in your raise) F) A-J (your beat and he'll call) In all of these situations above, your raise has negative equity. If he's bluffing, he won't call, and if your beat, he'll call for sure. Oh God, I hope you just called Jim :-) Otherwise, this might make you look bad! Daniel Negreanu kidpoker@hotmail.com www.fullcontactpoker.com > > Second question: Was my 3-bet on the flop correct? > > I will post the results later. | ||
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| Re: $100-$200 Hand, Jeffrey Biship, 15. Oct 2002 21:23 | ||
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| I haven't read the other responses yet, but what kind of hands would an UTG player limp-reraise with? Well, the most likely candidates are AA KK QQ and AKs. If the player is tricky (ala Abdul) he might limp-reraise with more hands than that. The only hands you really fear here are AA and JJ. If he's got AA, that eliminates your over card outs. If he's got JJ, your 2 fives are no good, leaving you only the 9 flush outs. Obviously, if you're behind, even if all your outs are good, your opponent still has 33 outs vs your 14 outs. In that regard, your raise was incorrect since you were heads-up. But, you had position on your opponent, so your raise may give you a tactical edge. You can take a free card on the turn if you choose. "The turn is the 9h. My lone opponent checks. I bet $200 hoping he will fold but having a lot of outs if he calls. He calls." Well, so much for that. "The river is the Ac. He bets $200. Should I make it $400 or just call?" The ace on the river makes it less likely that he started with AA or even AK, though AK would be a good holding for you. If he had JJ, he would have check-raised the turn. I think your opponent has KK, QQ, or AKs in that order. I think you should raise. Jeff I just noticed you already posted the results, but I haven't read it or any responses yet. Ulp. | ||
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| Re: $100-$200 Hand, Lee Jones, 25. Oct 2002 15:01 | ||
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| I think I'd just call (but I'm a weenie). You've got the ace of trump, so his flush draw didn't hit a (first) pair. And you've been showing aggression all along, but all of a sudden he springs to life. I would feel about as bad as I could feel about calling on the end with aces-up and a relatively non-threatening board. Regards, Lee | ||
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