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AQ hand, ScroogeMcd, 25. Sep 2002 18:53
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An intresting hand came up recently in a session of 10-20 hold em that I felt played quite poorly. It was an extremely loose game with most hands producing multiway pots all the way to the river.

A passive loose player limped in first position and I raised in the cutoff with the Ah qs I was cold called on the button by a wealthy local businessman who plays a extremely loose aggressive style. The big blind also called. The flop came down K 9 3 with two hearts. The flop was checked by all. Often with this texture of a flop I would lead if I thought there was some possibly of taking it down on the flop. However with this field of opponents I felt I would be called with any pair, ace overcard or gutshot straight draw and with an aggressive player behind I would be put in an akward spot on the turn card. The turn card was a J spades creating a second flush draw. It was again checked to me and I chose to check feeling It was unlikely that I now held the best hand in a field of four. Does anyone like a bet in this spot? The button now bet and the big blind and early limper mucked. It was now up to me? I am getting 5-1 at this point to take a card off and 3-1 if i choose to call the river if i miss (which i felt against this player would be mandatory). With the flop and turn checked by all players the button would bet with a wide variety of hands. I felt his most likely holdings were either a jack or a flush draw with the outside possibly of a pure bluff. What would others do in this spot and what variables would influence your decision?

Scrooge Mcd
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Re: AQ hand, Roy Cooke, 25. Sep 2002 20:20
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Tough spot.....my play would be based on the propensity for my hand to be good at the moment. If he has a jack I have10 wins assuming no shared overcard (This is correct to call if the assumptionis true, but it may not be). If he has picked up a flush draw or is bluffing my hand is probably good. Would he bet any pair on the flop if checked to him??? Does he like to bluff? If he bets the river can he still be bluffing (do I have to call twice if I blank off)? Will I get value if I hit my hand?

This is a close decision and one I would make based on feel after asking myself those questions. From what I know I would lean toward calling!

Roy Cooke


on 25. Sep 2002 18:53 ScroogeMcd wrote:
> An intresting hand came up recently in a session of 10-20 hold em that I felt
> played quite poorly. It was an extremely loose game with most hands producing
> multiway pots all the way to the river.
>
> A passive loose player limped in first position and I raised in the cutoff with
> the Ah qs I was cold called on the button by a wealthy local businessman who
> plays a extremely loose aggressive style. The big blind also called. The flop
> came down K 9 3 with two hearts. The flop was checked by all. Often with this
> texture of a flop I would lead if I thought there was some possibly of taking it
> down on the flop. However with this field of opponents I felt I would be called
> with any pair, ace overcard or gutshot straight draw and with an aggressive
> player behind I would be put in an akward spot on the turn card. The turn card
> was a J spades creating a second flush draw. It was again checked to me and I
> chose to check feeling It was unlikely that I now held the best hand in a field
> of four. Does anyone like a bet in this spot? The button now bet and the big
> blind and early limper mucked. It was now up to me? I am getting 5-1 at this
> point to take a card off and 3-1 if i choose to call the river if i miss (which
> i felt against this player would be mandatory). With the flop and turn checked
> by all players the button would bet with a wide variety of hands. I felt his
> most likely holdings were either a jack or a flush draw with the outside
> possibly of a pure bluff. What would others do in this spot and what variables
> would influence your decision?
>
> Scrooge Mcd
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Re: AQ hand, Jim Brier, 27. Sep 2002 09:13
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I like the way you have played the hand so far, but I would have considered betting the turn when it gets checked around twice like this - well almost except for the button. One thing seems clear - no one has a top pair of kings. I would assume that if my hand is not good, that I still have ten outs making my drawing odds better than my pot odds. Furthermore, some of my outs are to the nuts. Nevertheless, having decided to check twice, I think you should call when a loose, goose bets. I would call.

Interesting post.
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Re: AQ hand, ScroogeMcd, 29. Sep 2002 17:11
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At the table I actually laid down the hand down but for the reasons enumerated by Roy and Jim given the pot odds and the wide range of hands the button would bet, I think taking the hand to a showdown is mandatory. With regards to the turn bet I think its close given that i probably had 10 outs. However the fact It was a four way pot and the passivity of the two plays up front led me to believe that my hand was probably no good despite both players checks. ( i felt both would check a nine or jack).
Thanks for the responses guys
Scrooge
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