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 Jim Brier's Playing the Player, Hand No. 1, Andrew Wells, 24. Sep 2002 20:04 | ||
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| From Jim Brier's 9/27 Card Player article, first hand discussed. Deja Vu, playing Foxwoods 10-20 with a half kill. Nearly the same situation occured, and I'm now interested in how others might have handled my situation on the turn. I have the kill button in the cutoff, meaning we are playing this hand 15-30 with normal 5 and 10 blinds but I have posted a small bet of 15 on the kill button. I have the option to raise, as this is treated as another blind. Everyone folds to me, and I raise with ATs (they weren't clubs - but it doesn't matter). I'm called by a typical player in the big blind. He's savvy enough to know that I would raise with 72o in that spot, so he could have been calling with a wider range of hands than would be defending against an ordinary possible steal raise even though it takes 20 to call. He knows I know this. There is 63 in the pot (it gets raked again at 80 and 160) and heads up we take the same flop as in Jim's example hand, As Ah Th. He also checks, I bet and he raises. Just like my bet doesn't mean much, neither does his checkraise. He could be holding alot of different hands. I know that if he doesn't have much and I call, yet raise his probable bet on the turn that he won't pay off. I also don't really want to make it three bets with the current nuts and let him know I have a real hand. I call, planning to pop him on the river. The turn is an interesting but potentially threatening Jh. There is 92 in the pot, and he checks. The re-kill is at 145 meaning that if one more bet goes into the pot from each of us, the next hand is going to also be a kill with the winner of the hand posting a 15 blind. He would be posting it from the small blind position with the next player posting a normal 10 big blind, if I'm run down. This means he's not going to bet a strong hand into me on the turn, he'll play for another checkraise here or on the river. There are some hands he could call with, and lead into me on the river. He may be playing a flush or ace-rag drawing nearly dead, but I have no feel for where he's at. I decide to bet now on the turn, and he folds. Should I have slow played? | ||
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| Re: Jim Brier's Playing the Player, Hand No. 1, Roy Cooke, 25. Sep 2002 12:17 | ||
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| Hi Andy I would have slowplayed if I thought he was the texture of player that would always try to bluff the river if he held no hand. If that was not the case I would bet! I understand betting was not the right play in the situation that was current, however it is important in poker not to judge individual plays based on individual results. Try to learn from them , but don't base your answers solely on the results. Roy Cooke n 24. Sep 2002 20:04 Andrew Wells wrote: > From Jim Brier's 9/27 Card Player article, first hand discussed. Deja Vu, > playing Foxwoods 10-20 with a half kill. Nearly the same situation occured, and > I'm now interested in how others might have handled my situation on the turn. I > have the kill button in the cutoff, meaning we are playing this hand 15-30 with > normal 5 and 10 blinds but I have posted a small bet of 15 on the kill button. I > have the option to raise, as this is treated as another blind. Everyone folds to > me, and I raise with ATs (they weren't clubs - but it doesn't matter). I'm > called by a typical player in the big blind. He's savvy enough to know that I > would raise with 72o in that spot, so he could have been calling with a wider > range of hands than would be defending against an ordinary possible steal raise > even though it takes 20 to call. He knows I know this. There is 63 in the pot > (it gets raked again at 80 and 160) and heads up we take the same flop as in > Jim's example hand, As Ah Th. He also checks, I bet and he raises. Just like my > bet doesn't mean much, neither does his checkraise. He could be holding alot of > different hands. I know that if he doesn't have much and I call, yet raise his > probable bet on the turn that he won't pay off. I also don't really want to make > it three bets with the current nuts and let him know I have a real hand. I call, > planning to pop him on the river. The turn is an interesting but potentially > threatening Jh. There is 92 in the pot, and he checks. The re-kill is at 145 > meaning that if one more bet goes into the pot from each of us, the next hand is > going to also be a kill with the winner of the hand posting a 15 blind. He would > be posting it from the small blind position with the next player posting a > normal 10 big blind, if I'm run down. This means he's not going to bet a strong > hand into me on the turn, he'll play for another checkraise here or on the > river. There are some hands he could call with, and lead into me on the river. > He may be playing a flush or ace-rag drawing nearly dead, but I have no feel for > where he's at. I decide to bet now on the turn, and he folds. Should I have slow > played? | ||
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| Re: Jim Brier's Playing the Player, Hand No. 1, Andrew Wells, 25. Sep 2002 18:58 | ||
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| I don't know that betting wasn't the best choice on the turn. If he picked up the flush draw, had KQ, or maybe even paired with the jack I might gain a bet that I could not get if the wrong river card falls. He may also now have a miracle out or two to beat or tie my hand. I sure don't want to see another jack on the river. I may get played back at on the turn and paid off on the river if he has hearts or the case ace. I did call the checkraise, so presumably I have a piece of the board. If he realizes this, there may not be any river card for which a check on the turn would induce a bluff. | ||
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| Re: Jim Brier's Playing the Player, Hand No. 1, Andrew Wells, 25. Sep 2002 18:40 | ||
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| There is 122 in the pot on the turn, no excuses. | ||
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