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 Slow playin Top Pairs in NL HE, Hatchet Harry, 18. Sep 2002 14:27 | ||
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| My question is two fold. I seem to have an inborn necessity to slow play A & K's from any position in NL HE games. My reasons for this seem to eminate from Lower limit players having a necessity to go all in before the flop should someone have the arrogance to re-raise there initial raise. To date I have found this strategy to be significantly profitable (I take my bad beats but these are few and far between. So. A) Do the analysts deem this to be a good long term strategy at lower limit ? b) Do a lot of players still slow play this type of hand at mid to high limits? Regards HH | ||
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| Re: Slow playin Top Pairs in NL HE, Andrew Wells, 18. Sep 2002 15:41 | ||
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| Your kicker is important with top pair aces or kings. If I have a good kicker I'm not going to slow play these top pairs in low or middle limit hold'em. I get more information seeing who calls a raise cold or who three bets me, than I do if I just call. This may let me save a bet if I'm raised on the turn or a bad river card falls. If I slow played them, I may be more likely to get trapped in the hand myself as it's harder to know where you stand when you misrepresent your own hand. In the lower limits a raise or reraise often takes away pot odds from players who are chasing with a lower pair or gut shot. They may play anyway, but I want them to make that mistake. Playing no-limit I don't slow play them either. If I'm reasonably sure I have the best hand on the flop and someone leads into me, then I'm going to make sure no one gets the right odds to any good draws. Top pair is a very vulnerable hand, it needs to be protected until someone lets me know I'm beat. | ||
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| Re: Slow playin Top Pairs in NL HE, Mike Caro, 18. Sep 2002 17:47 | ||
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| on 18. Sep 2002 14:27 Hatchet Harry wrote: > My question is two fold. > I seem to have an inborn necessity to slow play A & K's from any position in NL > HE games. My reasons for this seem to eminate from Lower limit players having a > necessity to go all in before the flop should someone have the arrogance to > re-raise there initial raise. To date I have found this strategy to be > significantly profitable (I take my bad beats but these are few and far > between. > > So. > A) Do the analysts deem this to be a good long term strategy at lower limit ? > b) Do a lot of players still slow play this type of hand at mid to high > limits? > > Regards > HH HI, Harry -- With a large pair in a no-limit game (any size), your primary instinct should be to raise enough to make an opponent's call long-range unprofitable AND as much BEYOND that as you can sell. Usually, you do not want to chase the opponent out of the pot -- you want the opponent (or several opponents) IN the pot at a price that is too expensive. The more skilful you are in assessing and manipulating opponents, the more you can overbet and still get called. Sometimes going all-in IS the right play, but NOT (in most cases) for the most-usually cited reason: to keep opponents from drawing out. Your reason is to get the call, plain and simple (assuming both you and opponents have enough to cover a too-expensive bet). Having said all that, yes, you CAN sometimes slow play these hands. And the more likely it is that an opponent will "hang himself" trying to buy a pot, the more often you should try it. But overall, consider betting sufficiently to be your first objective. Answer to A): Yes (at least I do), if not attempted too often. Answer to B): Yes, but less frequently in the case of top players. In fact, many of them seem to have a phobia against slow playing and don't do it enough. They should do it -- but only occasionally against most opponents. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Slow playin Top Pairs in NL HE, Andrew Wells, 19. Sep 2002 02:01 | ||
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| I would think you still need fairly optimal conditions to consider slow playing a hand like AK that has made top pair on the flop, no-limit. First, the pot would have to be relatively small. Second, I would want to be heads-up against a player who likes to try to buy pots where no one shows strength, or no more than two opponents with one of them tight. Third, my current table image would need to be loose and somewhat reckless. Fourth, I would not want an opponent with a large stack to be able to reraise me on the turn enough to get me off the best hand. Fifth, it would be best if the bettor on the turn were to make an all-in move that I had enough to come over the top of, if there is another player involved. I tend to remember (for a long time) getting whacked when I let someone spike a set or their side card on the turn, and that goes a long way towards playing this type of situation straightforwardly. | ||
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| Re: Slow playin Top Pairs in NL HE, Hatchet Harry, 19. Sep 2002 10:03 | ||
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| Apologies, I Meant to say Top Pocket Pairs before the flop, which no doubt is a whole different story. But the info on how to treat top pair after the flop was worth the post anyway's. Cheers Harry. | ||
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| Re: Slow playin Top Pairs in NL HE, Andrew Wells, 19. Sep 2002 17:21 | ||
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| Call it an over pair when you mean after the flop, or big pocket pair before the flop and there's no confusion. Yes you might be more inclined to trap with an over pair depending on the texture of the flop instead of top pair, but don't do it with queens. | ||
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| Re: Slow playin Top Pairs in NL HE, Michael S Mantel, 19. Sep 2002 10:19 | ||
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| Thanks Mike: reAK:1.your position 2.the skill(s) of your opponent(s) 3.stack sizes 4.Can you recognize a small set, et.al. are all VITAL issues in playing "walking back to Houston". Your advice is good (great) but assumes a suite of skills that you and your peers have but many of us don't have. Mike Mantel | ||
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