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 Suggestions wanted for this forum, Mike Caro, 16. Sep 2002 09:17 | ||
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| I'd like to hear your comments about htis forum. What's working for you? What don't you like? Could anything be better organized? Is speed OK? Is anything missing? Your candid thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated as we strive to bring the United Poker Forum to its next stage. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Hatchet Harry, 16. Sep 2002 11:57 | ||
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| Hi Mike, This is the first message board of any nature that I've ever been compelled to get involved in. It's superb that people are prepared to take their time to share their experience with other people for what must be little or no financial reward. Whilst I am not yet confident enough to contribute to some of the more complex problems posted, I spend hours pouring over them trying to figure out the right solutions. This has had an enormous impact on my game and has definately contributed to my recent successes at the tables. It also gives me an appreciation of what kind of information you are required to process in seconds to become a succesful player. With the above said, I have a couple of items of note which would improve my use of the board. Firstly. I am conscious of the fact , that the majority of the board contibuters seem to be very experienced. Whilst I am more than happy with the feedback I have recieved on my posts to date, I do not wish to drown the board with the numerous questions which hit me at the tables every night. I have taken previous advice on board and got the answers to my basic queries from books this has been more like opening a can of worms than quelling my lust for knowledge. Maybe if there was a beginner / learner section, then questions of a more basic nature could be kept aside for those persons who have the time and the inclination to provide solutions to them. Secondly their seems to be a small bug which means that when i log into the board, I'm alway's taken to the same message which is quite old and not to the most recent posts (funnily enough it's one of yours). This may be simply the way i'm using the board but any help would be appreciated. Many thx once agian. Regards HH | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Mike Caro, 16. Sep 2002 17:33 | ||
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| on 16. Sep 2002 11:57 Hatchet Harry wrote: > Hi Mike, > > This is the first message board of any nature that I've ever been compelled to get > involved in. It's superb that people are prepared to take their time to share their > experience with other people for what must be little or no financial reward. Whilst I > am not yet confident enough to contribute to some of the more complex problems > posted, I spend hours pouring over them trying to figure out the right solutions. > This has had an enormous impact on my game and has definately contributed to my > recent successes at the tables. It also gives me an appreciation of what kind of > information you are required to process in seconds to become a succesful player. > > With the above said, I have a couple of items of note which would improve my use of > the board. > > Firstly. I am conscious of the fact , that the majority of the board contibuters > seem to be very experienced. Whilst I am more than happy with the feedback I have > recieved on my posts to date, I do not wish to drown the board with the numerous > questions which hit me at the tables every night. I have taken previous advice on > board and got the answers to my basic queries from books this has been more like > opening a can of worms than quelling my lust for knowledge. Maybe if there was a > beginner / learner section, then questions of a more basic nature could be kept aside > for those persons who have the time and the inclination to provide solutions to them. > > > Secondly their seems to be a small bug which means that when i log into the board, > I'm alway's taken to the same message which is quite old and not to the most recent > posts (funnily enough it's one of yours). This may be simply the way i'm using the > board but any help would be appreciated. > > Many thx once agian. > > Regards > HH Hi, HH -- We WANT beginner's questions here. The fact that there will be so much sophisticated information is a good thing. That means there will be many experienced players here who will be happy to answer your questions. I wrote my "Caro's Last Word" column for Casino Player magazine recently. I talked about not being smug about what you know, because most things that seem obvious were unknown to you at one time. For everything you know for sure, there was a time five minutes earlier when you didn't. We're all happy to help you on the path toward poker excellence, and this is the place to ask questions. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, timmer, 17. Sep 2002 18:48 | ||
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| Harry, The learning cycle being as it is a cycle, rotating from unconscious incompetence through conscience incompetence , conscience competence and finally unconscious competence and then inexorably recycling itself continues without cessation as long as the student ( or master ) seeks a higher level of learning. It defines each of us as a beginner or learner at numerous , perhaps at all times through out our lives.. Do not be hesitant to post your queries. As your quest for higher poker knowledge will help us all by refreshing some bit of learning we might not have pondered in a while or reiterating some tittle that we may have. High level critical skills in most things, poker not withstanding, are built upon a foundation of basic tenants. And revisiting these basic tenants is often of paramount importance to achieving new heights in learning. This revivification often provides the spark necessary to ignite the flame that reveals the precepts of higher learning. Precepts that hide themselves within the darkness of ignorance. This being said, please do us the favor of posting your poker queries as often as they present themselves. TIA -timmer | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Hatchet Harry, 18. Sep 2002 14:46 | ||
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| Thanks Mike / Trimmer I'm definately at that Conscious Incompetance stage at the moment which is very painful. I think i preffered not knowing when i had given someone a free card then got beat on the river - LOL. Anyway, with only pixels to work out my problems for me, it's nice to know that I have somewhere to come in my desperate hours of need. Best Regards HH | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Poker Veteran, 16. Sep 2002 15:59 | ||
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| Be more like 2+2. The more closely you resemble 2+2, the more successful you will become. At all cost, avoid being like RGP. Those guys are garbage. 2+2 rules!!!!! | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Mike Caro, 16. Sep 2002 16:13 | ||
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| on 16. Sep 2002 15:59 Poker Veteran wrote: > Be more like 2+2. The more closely you resemble 2+2, the more successful you will > become. At all cost, avoid being like RGP. Those guys are garbage. 2+2 rules!!!!! Hi, Poker Veteran -- Thanks for your feedback. Why do you think so? We're trying to be much different and much better. Besides, they don't have Mike Caro, which is kind of a big handicap, don't you agree? :-) Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Mike Caro, 16. Sep 2002 16:14 | ||
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| on 16. Sep 2002 15:59 Poker Veteran wrote: > Be more like 2+2. The more closely you resemble 2+2, the more successful you will > become. At all cost, avoid being like RGP. Those guys are garbage. 2+2 rules!!!!! Hi, Poker Veteran -- Thanks for your feedback. Why do you think so? We're trying to be much different and much better. Besides, they don't have Mike Caro or access to the MCU poker research labs, which is kind of a big handicap, don't you agree? :-) Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Harold Pierce, Jr., 16. Sep 2002 16:35 | ||
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| 2+2 is a fine website and I visit there everday. UPF is very fine site too, and I visit several times aday. The new format is very nice and easy to use. Most importantly, Mike and Roy actively participate in discussions, and they don't annoy us with all those silly poker math problems that David the Devine One frequently posts. BTW, Mike , did you have a chance to look over the 7 stud 435 math tables that Rhonda forwarded to you. I would really like to post these here first on this new site. However, Chuck over at 2+2 has the tables also, and I requested that he post them there after review by Mason. So you are UTG! Harold Pierce, Jr. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Mike Caro, 16. Sep 2002 17:27 | ||
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| on 16. Sep 2002 16:35 Harold Pierce, Jr. wrote: > 2+2 is a fine website and I visit there everday. UPF is very fine site too, and I visit > several times aday. The new format is very nice and easy to use. Most importantly, Mike and Roy > actively participate in discussions, and they don't annoy us with all those silly poker math > problems that David the Devine One frequently posts. > > BTW, Mike , did you have a chance to look over the 7 stud 435 math tables that Rhonda > forwarded to you. I would really like to post these here first on this new site. However, Chuck > over at 2+2 has the tables also, and I requested that he post them there after review by Mason. > So you are UTG! > > Harold Pierce, Jr. Hi, Harold -- I did not look them over yet, because I'm in the midst of relocating to the Ozarks, which will take months. However, have you visited MCU (www.universityofpoker.com) and looked at the tables. I'll be adding many more AND accepting statistical donations from others. Unfortunately, I'm embarrassed to say I don't know what 435 stud is, so you'll have to educate me. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Harold Pierce, Jr., 17. Sep 2002 10:51 | ||
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| Seven card stud 435 is a simple variation wherein the three hole cards are dealt first with 4th street as the door card and an opening betting round. Fifth, 6th, and 7th streets are then dealt with a betting round after each street. After the end of betting on 7th street, there is a showdown in the usual way. When your Planet Poker first came on line several years ago, I asked you about this variation, and you informed me you that you have never seen 7 stud played this way. Since that time I have asked a number of author-poker players about this variation and none knew of it. I posted requests on numerous websites for info or knowledge about this variation, and only two respondents in the Midwest informed me that they have played this variation in private house and home games for sometime. I played this variation back in the 1960's when I lived in the Midwest. This variation has not been described in any book or on any website that I have checked so far. I gave it the name 7 stud 435 for the purpose of general discussion since there 4 cards dealt first, followed by 3 up cards and 5 cards are used to form a hand. This variation would be suitable for on line play since it speeds up the game and affords more playable starting hand as indicated by the potential for action parameter as given in Table 3. So take a quick look at these tables. I would be interested in your opinion. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Mike Caro, 17. Sep 2002 15:26 | ||
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| on 17. Sep 2002 10:51 Harold Pierce, Jr. wrote: > Seven card stud 435 is a simple variation wherein the three hole cards are dealt first with 4th street as > the door card and an opening betting round. Fifth, 6th, and 7th streets are then dealt with a betting > round after each street. After the end of betting on 7th street, there is a showdown in the usual way. > > When your Planet Poker first came on line several years ago, I asked you about this variation, and you > informed me you that you have never seen 7 stud played this way. Since that time I have asked a number of > author-poker players about this variation and none knew of it. I posted requests on numerous websites > for info or knowledge about this variation, and only two respondents in the Midwest informed me that > they have played this variation in private house and home games for sometime. I played this variation > back in the 1960's when I lived in the Midwest. > > This variation has not been described in any book or on any website that I have checked so far. I gave > it the name 7 stud 435 for the purpose of general discussion since there 4 cards dealt first, followed > by 3 up cards and 5 cards are used to form a hand. This variation would be suitable for on line play > since it speeds up the game and affords more playable starting hand as indicated by the potential for > action parameter as given in Table 3. > > So take a quick look at these tables. I would be interested in your opinion. Hi, Harold -- The game sounds interesting, but it might be a tough sell (even if it's slightly superior), because players can be set in their ways. I already have done distribution charts for holdings after 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 (a complete high-low-simulaneous chart, in fact -- published in Card Player 12 or so years ago), and 9 cards with two required out of the first four (as in Omaha). If your charts duplicate any of this, I'd still be interested and may put them up at MCU -- with the understanding that I may later decide to use my own -- instead, for consistency of look -- in a poker odds book I've been long promising. I'm extremely eager to get credible contributions for poker odds, whether they exactly duplicate others in the library, partially duplicate them, or express odds in an entirely new way. However, you'd have to e-mail your charts to me again, because I don't have them handy. Send to caro@caro.com, please. And I apologize strongly if I ignored these previously. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Poker Veteran, 16. Sep 2002 17:18 | ||
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| 2+2 has an immense amount of poker knowledge. Not only that, Mason and David are two cool looking dudes. You and Roy can't compete. But you can always hire models. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Mike Caro, 16. Sep 2002 17:40 | ||
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| on 16. Sep 2002 17:18 Poker Veteran wrote: > 2+2 has an immense amount of poker knowledge. Not only that, Mason and David are two cool > looking dudes. You and Roy can't compete. But you can always hire models. Now, see, Poker Veteran, you had me going. But when you wrote, "Not only that, Mason and David are two cool looking dudes. You and Roy can't compete," I realized you were having fun. I can walk off with intelligent women from right under those guy's noses. Without even trying. And I'm 58. So, there. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Easy E, 16. Sep 2002 18:44 | ||
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| Because, Mike, as egotistical as they may be, they don't feel the need to pat themselves on the back TWICE! :0 | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, Mike Caro, 16. Sep 2002 19:25 | ||
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| on 16. Sep 2002 18:44 Easy E wrote: > Because, Mike, as egotistical as they may be, they don't feel the need to pat themselves on the > back TWICE! > > :0 If they held a tournament and gave a trophy for top egomainiac, I might not be able to win it from David, but I'd probably make the final table. I'm going to be much more modest about myself sometime in the future, though. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, timmer, 17. Sep 2002 19:18 | ||
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| Please Do NOT be like 2+2. 2+2 is a vehicle for a B2C web sight . and their basic purpose is and will always be slanted towards the sale of and act as a excitant for their products. Although I will not argue about the validity of their (2+2 creators) direction or the quality of their work it is my opinion that the moderators of that site will always act firstly and formost in the interst of increasing sales of the products offered there. And it is my opinion that this intrest often impeads and can be detremental to a free flow of ideas. It is this free flow of ideas that I hope lies upon the bedrock that comprises the foundation of this forum and that I rely upon receiving from the posters in general and moderators in particular that take the time to contribute . -t | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, backdoor, 16. Sep 2002 20:36 | ||
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| Personally, I would like to see this forum do better. I like the polite classy style of both Mike Caro and Roy Cooke. Sredni Vashtar, the great polecat ferret (who once pondered taking over for Mike Caro on RGP), also agrees. I like that fact you can edit or delete your posts. I like the fact that Poker Veteran has come here to be rehabilitated. I like the fact that MM WON'T come here to be rehabilitated. Regards. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions wanted for this forum, DallasDon, 17. Oct 2002 00:06 | ||
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| I like it, I love it, I want some more of it!!!! Just logged on after reading about it in cardplayer. I found i could navigate the site without "Help" from anybody. Love the larger fonts on the posts, much easier to read. Its great to have a forum like this in cyberspace, even if it is coming from the Ozarks. | ||
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