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 Shreveport$20-$40 Hand, Jim Brier, 15. Sep 2002 17:32 | ||
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| A friend of mine got involved in the following hand and asked for my opinion. He is in the big blind with the Qs-6s in this loose, $20-$40 game. An early player, two middle players, the cutoff, and the button all limp in. The cutoff plays loose preflop but reasonably well once the flop comes. The button is an all-around solid player. The small blind folds. My friend takes a free play. There is $130 in the pot and six players. The flop is: Qc-7s-5s, giving my friend top pair with a flush draw. He bets. The early player calls. The two middle players fold. The cutoff and the button call. There is $210 in the pot and four players. The turn is the 2s, giving my a friend the third-nut flush. He bets $40. The early player folds. The cutoff raises to $80. The button makes it $120. What should my friend do? I will post the results later. | ||
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| Re: Shreveport$20-$40 Hand, BLUESMAN, 15. Sep 2002 18:27 | ||
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| Hi Jim, As deplorable as it sounds I think your friend has no choice but to fold.This board admits little to warrant this kind of raising except a flush,the cutoff's raise doesn't concern me much as he would raise with any flush or trips,the button's,"a solid" player" reraise looks like the nuts to me.Your friend is looking at a possible reraise on this street and certainly further raises on the river.I think it's time to minimize his loss and fold. Thanks very much for this interesting and challenging post,I loved your book,I don't always get those questions right either but i very much enjoy the thougt provoking situations. | ||
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| Re: Shreveport$20-$40 Hand, backdoor, 15. Sep 2002 21:02 | ||
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| In order for the button to have the made A or K high flush he would have had to forfeit an oppurtunity to put in a raise on the flop with said draw, button, and an overcard, not to mention not raise with a bunch in preflop(not nearly as telling). Does that sound like an overall solid player? By my read the Q high flush is good often enough to continue on. I suspect the button for a pair with a flush ace, or perhaps a medium flush. I am really inclined to put the pedal to the medal and keep raising with the Q high flush. I like to play my read hard. I think making "turn movers" pay is a must in today's evolving game. There's other options with other reads. That's what the game's all about :) Regards. | ||
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| Re: Shreveport$20-$40 Hand, Roy Cooke, 16. Sep 2002 01:43 | ||
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| Hi Jim Good question (as usual :-). It would depend (as usual :-) on what I read the button and the cuttoff for. Would the button have the nut flush draw on the flop and not raise in that spot? If he is an all-around solid player I would assume he would take the raise. How about tthe cutoff? If he plays well after the flop wouldn't he raise also with a flush draw that is better than Q high? If the texture of the players is what you describe and I am characterising them right in my head then I would think the hand is likely to be good. What play I would make in that spot with that thought would depend on how likely I thought I was right and the hand is good and how they would play their hands. I.E. would they fold a smalller flush if I reraised....is a set a likely possibility???ect. That said, if either of these guys is passive with draws the problem changes greatly. Also, would either of these players make a raise or reraise in this spot without your hand beat? Yes, I understand I have not answered the question...but these are the things I would consider in my "huddle". Decisions like this are a funtion of your ability to read opponents. I don't think the level of information given is enough to make an informed decsion on what to do! Roy Cooke on 15. Sep 2002 17:32 Jim Brier wrote: > A friend of mine got involved in the following hand and asked for my opinion. He > is in the big blind with the Qs-6s in this loose, $20-$40 game. An early player, > two middle players, the cutoff, and the button all limp in. The cutoff plays > loose preflop but reasonably well once the flop comes. The button is an > all-around solid player. The small blind folds. My friend takes a free play. > There is $130 in the pot and six players. The flop is: Qc-7s-5s, giving my > friend top pair with a flush draw. He bets. The early player calls. The two > middle players fold. The cutoff and the button call. There is $210 in the pot > and four players. The turn is the 2s, giving my a friend the third-nut flush. He > bets $40. The early player folds. The cutoff raises to $80. The button makes it > $120. What should my friend do? > > I will post the results later. | ||
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| Re: Shreveport$20-$40 Hand, BLUESMAN, 16. Sep 2002 08:34 | ||
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| "Feet to the fire" Roy, whaddu you do? | ||
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| Re: Shreveport$20-$40 Hand, Ted Good, 16. Sep 2002 06:36 | ||
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| Hi I too, enjoy your posts. Now how about the result. Ted | ||
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| Results, Jim Brier, 16. Sep 2002 10:42 | ||
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| My friend folded. He figured between the cutoff and the button someone must have a king-high or an ace-high flush. The cutoff called. The river was a total blank (no spade, no pair). It was checked down by the two players. The cutoff had the 7h-7c for a flopped set. The button had the Js-9s for a jack-high flush. My friend had folded the winning hand. | ||
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| Re: Results, catsclaw, 16. Sep 2002 13:02 | ||
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| Completely pessimistic view taken by your friend. Cap it on the turn. The only hand to worry about is K-x of spades and even that hand would have raised on the flop. A horrilbe error. | ||
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