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 Spreading games, Mike Caro, 4. Sep 2002 11:37 | ||
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| I'd like to hear from everybody about spreading games. I know there are two vastly different ways of looking at this. For a long time, I have advocated that casinos spread new poker games quite liberally, even if it sometimes results in the collapse of a current game of the same type and limit. Obviously, you want to exercise some caution, but I believe that floorpersons and management tend to be overly protective of existing games, meaning that many waiting customers have no place to play and may even leave the casinos. I think that's bad, in the long run, for both players and management. Do you agree or disagree? Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Spreading games, Andrew Wells, 4. Sep 2002 14:51 | ||
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| The card room would have to have extra dealers on hand to open new tables. It's been my experience that management keeps the number of dealers close to the minimum necessary according to anticipated volume. It's not so much that they don't want to spread 10-20 with a kill when there's already a 10-20 and 15-30 game going, it's just that they don't have an extra dealer available. Having an extra dealer or two on hand might just impact the card rooms bottom line enough that the casino would decide to use the floor space for machines instead. They have to keep most games as full as possible to maximize rake, so there's no incentive to risk a shorthanded table, just to accomodate players. | ||
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| Re: Spreading games, Mike Caro, 8. Sep 2002 07:57 | ||
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| on 4. Sep 2002 14:51 Andrew Wells wrote: > The card room would have to have extra dealers on hand to open new tables. It's been > my experience that management keeps the number of dealers close to the minimum > necessary according to anticipated volume. It's not so much that they don't want to > spread 10-20 with a kill when there's already a 10-20 and 15-30 game going, it's just > that they don't have an extra dealer available. Having an extra dealer or two on hand > might just impact the card rooms bottom line enough that the casino would decide to > use the floor space for machines instead. They have to keep most games as full as > possible to maximize rake, so there's no incentive to risk a shorthanded table, just > to accomodate players. Hi, Andrew -- As a casino consultant, I certainly agree with your observations. But that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I'm talking about not leaving players on the board when there's already a full game of the same type and limit. I believe casino management is traditionally much too conservative about calling new games in this case, whether or not there are dealers and tables available. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Spreading games, Andrew Wells, 8. Sep 2002 19:42 | ||
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| Then have a policy of opening "must move" games which feed the main game. The main game where players have been longest remains full, and if any game goes short - well those players could have still been on the list. | ||
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| Re: Spreading games, Roy Cooke, 5. Sep 2002 08:03 | ||
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| Hi Mike I disaggree.....I know you are a short-handed guru, but the players that lose the game currently in play will get pissed off about their game breaking. I think casinos should protect the players and games that have been there the longest! Roy Cooke on 4. Sep 2002 11:37 Mike Caro wrote: > I'd like to hear from everybody about spreading games. I know there are two > vastly different ways of looking at this. For a long time, I have advocated that > casinos spread new poker games quite liberally, even if it sometimes results in > the collapse of a current game of the same type and limit. > > Obviously, you want to exercise some caution, but I believe that floorpersons > and management tend to be overly protective of existing games, meaning that many > waiting customers have no place to play and may even leave the casinos. I think > that's bad, in the long run, for both players and management. > > Do you agree or disagree? > > Straight Flushes, > Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Spreading games, Mike Caro, 8. Sep 2002 08:03 | ||
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| on 5. Sep 2002 08:03 Roy Cooke wrote: > Hi Mike > > I disaggree.....I know you are a short-handed guru, but the players that lose the > game currently in play will get pissed off about their game breaking. I think casinos > should protect the players and games that have been there the longest! > > Roy Cooke But, Roy, that's bad for BOTH the casino and the players in the long run (waiting and not waiting). It's true that there are a few players who scream their heads off if a game gets short after the floor person calls a new instance of that same game, but most don't. And usually both games will thrive, sometimes keeping players from leaving the casino in frustration, and generating more casino profit and more player contentment overall. It is easy to analyze. If you never spread a new instance of a game that causes the original game to break, you're losing money as a casino and not spreading games liberally enough. Of course, you don't want to routinely spread so aggressively that games regularly break. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Spreading games, L Gooch, 10. Sep 2002 05:11 | ||
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| In Tunica, in the small stakes games I play, it seems to me the casinos are quick to spread a new game if they have enough dealers. The instances I recall where there was a long list and they weren't opening a new game, it's always been "not enough dealers". I think this is good, at least in the smaller games, because I'm quick to "check out another card room" if the wait is likely long. In the larger stakes games, since there is very limited choices, it may be a mistake to spread a new game too quickly. P.S. I enjoy reading this forum very much! | ||
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| Re: Spreading games, Dutch Angstrom, 10. Sep 2002 07:35 | ||
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| Mike, I agree with your position on spreading additional games. I would also add that I wish our card rooms in St. Louis would be more open to spreading new games, ones that aren't often seen here. When I ask the floorman to at least start a list for Omaha high only, pot limit or limit,(a game that is never played here anymore) the usual response is "well, all the people who would play that game would come out of the 10 - 20 HE, possibly killing that game" I say, so what? If one game is going to attract players more than another, let it be. Who knows, we could be playing Razz in Missouri before you know it, if someone would give it a try. Hope you are enjoying the Ozarks! Dutch | ||
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| Re: Spreading games, Spencer, 10. Sep 2002 09:13 | ||
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| Hi Dutch I agree with you about the St. Louis poker rooms. Although I mainly play 7 stud at the President, I wouldn't mind playing a little draw or something different for a change. I am just teaching myself Omaha and you are correct, it is a highly popular and rarely played game there. It seems that they are always short dealers there. I constantly have heard dealers being asked to work late because they ran short. It is a shame to see all those empty tables go to waste. It seems they are only used for tournaments. If memory serves they routinely have 4-5 tables sitting idle at all times. I know this doesn't help but at least your frustration is shared. Spencer | ||
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