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 starting hands, borisv69, 28. Aug 2002 23:18 | ||
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| Can any one help me with picking better starting hands in holdem? I was in a cardroom and an elder gentlemen complement me on my poker playing once the flop was out? but said i play to many weak starting hands. does anyone have a diffinant guide or such? | ||
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| Re: starting hands, marion, 28. Aug 2002 23:31 | ||
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| Try this for a list of starts for many of the poker games (Good luck) http://planetpoker.com/mcu/mc_statistictables.htm | ||
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| Re: starting hands, borisv69, 28. Aug 2002 23:40 | ||
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| thats a good chart for probability of getting hands. But I need a standard of what cards to see they flop. I'm great at playing after the flop. B- flop happy | ||
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| Re: starting hands, marion, 28. Aug 2002 23:52 | ||
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| No short answer. Books: Theory of Poker Hold'm Poker Hold'm Poker for advanced players All give advice on starting selection. It depends on (1) Type of game, (2) Type of players, (3) Position on each round, (4) Your table image, (5) How long has the game been going (or how long have you been in the game), (6) how big is your stack compared to the other players, (7) what is your playing style. | ||
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| Re: starting hands, Harold Pierce, Jr., 29. Aug 2002 00:17 | ||
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| A number of books have been published in Texas Hold'em. Check your local public library's website for books on poker whose call nmber is 795 which is located in the games section. You should take out several of these if available because various author-players have different ideas and approaches for playing this game. If findfind one or more of these books to your liking you should them. It is OK to copy portions (e.g., tables of data) of book for you own personal use. | ||
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| Re: starting hands, mickblueeyes, 29. Aug 2002 04:12 | ||
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| The information you are looking for can be found in Hold em Excellence by Lou Krieger. | ||
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| Re: starting hands, patrick dicaprio, 29. Aug 2002 05:38 | ||
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| just be careful about what books you read and trust. there are many bad books out there that have various starting charts. look for books that do not give you a rigid chart, but those that emphasize the factors that you need to consider. preflop play is not that difficult when compared to post flop play,so if you get the right info you should do well. for my money the best book is Holdem Poker for Advanced Players. Pat | ||
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| Re: starting hands, Mark, 29. Aug 2002 08:12 | ||
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| on 29. Aug 2002 05:38 patrick dicaprio wrote: > just be careful about what books you read and trust. there are many bad books out > there that have various starting charts. look for books that do not give you a rigid > chart, but those that emphasize the factors that you need to consider. preflop play > is not that difficult when compared to post flop play,so if you get the right info > you should do well. for my money the best book is Holdem Poker for Advanced > Players. > > Pat Lou Krieger's Hold'em Excellence does give a chart but he does say it is just a guide, as all our discussions here are. The way his chart is laid out is easy to follow and remember. All of the strong hands are grouped together, and the weaker hands are around the edges. Once you see it, you'll know what I mean. I have had success following it (not strictly), but play tighter than he suggests in many situations, and looser occasionally. Lou's two books, Hold'em Excellence and More Hold'em Excellence, are geared towards low-limit players and have alot of disscussion about pre-flop play. He examines actuall situations to get his points across, instead of using blanket statements like most other authors, which I find much more instructive. I only have 7 poker books, have glanced at a few more, but I think Hold'em Excellence would be very good for what you're looking for. Mark | ||
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| Re: starting hands, jim grass, 29. Aug 2002 19:22 | ||
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| You must remember that beginning players must stick to introductory books such as Lou Krieger and lee jones Once they understand basics then and only then would i recommend moving on to Thoery of Poker >> and or Holdem Poker For Advanced Players and or Middle Limit Holdem Poker..These books are meant for an indepth understanding that expand beyond basics.. jim on 29. Aug 2002 08:12 Mark wrote: > on 29. Aug 2002 05:38 patrick dicaprio wrote: > > just be careful about what books you read and trust. there are many bad books out > > there that have various starting charts. look for books that do not give you a rigid > > > chart, but those that emphasize the factors that you need to consider. preflop play > > is not that difficult when compared to post flop play,so if you get the right info > > you should do well. for my money the best book is Holdem Poker for Advanced > > Players. > > > > Pat > > > Lou Krieger's Hold'em Excellence does give a chart but he does say it is just a guide, as > all our discussions here are. > > The way his chart is laid out is easy to follow and remember. All of the strong hands > are grouped together, and the weaker hands are around the edges. Once you see it, you'll > know what I mean. I have had success following it (not strictly), but play tighter than > he suggests in many situations, and looser occasionally. > > Lou's two books, Hold'em Excellence and More Hold'em Excellence, are geared towards > low-limit players and have alot of disscussion about pre-flop play. He examines actuall > situations to get his points across, instead of using blanket statements like most other > authors, which I find much more instructive. I only have 7 poker books, have glanced at a > few more, but I think Hold'em Excellence would be very good for what you're looking for. > > Mark > > | ||
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| Re: starting hands, patrick dicaprio, 30. Aug 2002 10:32 | ||
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| actually i dojnt agree with this. why teach beginners to play poorly just because it is easier? if you have normal intelligence i dont think it is beyond most players to start by considering the concepts behind preflop play rather than a rigid chart. this is especially true at low limits where most charts undervalue suited connectors. the HPFAP book is titled "advanced" but inj reality i think anyone can learn how to play from it even beginners. that is how i learned holdem although admittedly i was an experienced stud player at the time. Pat | ||
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| Re: starting hands, jim grass, 30. Aug 2002 15:10 | ||
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| Patrick as you mention yourself that your an experienced stud player so naturally many concepts will be quite obvious to you..the one difference would be the positional considerations ...but for a beginner to jump into an advanced book well i think i need to learn to crawl then walk and then run.... jim on 30. Aug 2002 10:32 patrick dicaprio wrote: > actually i dojnt agree with this. why teach beginners to play poorly just because it is easier? if > you have normal intelligence i dont think it is beyond most players to start by considering the > concepts behind preflop play rather than a rigid chart. this is especially true at low limits where > most charts undervalue suited connectors. the HPFAP book is titled "advanced" but inj reality i > think anyone can learn how to play from it even beginners. that is how i learned holdem although > admittedly i was an experienced stud player at the time. > > Pat | ||
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| Re: starting hands, John P. Enright, 31. Aug 2002 09:36 | ||
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| Pat posted about his learning through S&M's THE for Advanced:-- >>> just be careful about what books you read and trust. there are many bad books out there that have various starting charts. look for books that do not give you a rigid chart, but those that emphasize the factors that you need to consider. preflop play is not that difficult when compared to post flop play,so if you get the right info you should do well. for my money the best book is Holdem Poker for Advanced Players. <<< I agree with you, Pat, on the value of Holdem Poker for Advanced Players by Sklansky-Malmuth-Zee.. I am going to try THE after this big weekend, after being a long-time 7CS player. By coincidence, last night, I was reading Sklansky's Holdem Poker about the starting hand groups, and then this morning I went to HEP for Advanced because I had questions. Just looking at the chapter on playing starting hands from the early positions only, I found a treasure trove of advice. One thing about the new version of Advanced, is the chapter on playing in loose or low-limit games. And as a 7CS player switching to THE, I have at hand Mason Malmuth's thinking on the player's problems of just such a conversion from Stud to Holdem. Am going to miss seeing my opponents' upcards, but perhaps I will not burn myself out after an hour concentrating on all of the discarded doorcards and the remaining upcards. {smile} Jack Enright | ||
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| Re: starting hands, catsclaw, 29. Aug 2002 19:16 | ||
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| on 28. Aug 2002 23:18 borisv69 wrote: IMO, it's the play on the flop, the turn and river that counts. As long as your preflop strategy is reasonable, and you're not calling too many raises, don't worry about it. > Can any one help me with picking better starting hands in holdem? I was in a > cardroom and an elder gentlemen complement me on my poker playing once the flop > was out? but said i play to many weak starting hands. does anyone have a > diffinant guide or such? | ||
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| Re: starting hands, Hatchet Harry, 30. Aug 2002 16:10 | ||
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| As a learner i've been swotting over many books recently - the biggest thing to improve my game in the short term is not underestimating the value of a flat called hand in Small Blind position, with pot odds between 3 - 19 to 1 i've been playin hands from SB position that I would'nt normally give a second look. To me this has been a very good strategy, I've just had to gain some discipline in getting rid of middle and bottom pairs if someone bets into them, but overall I'm definately in profit. Regards HH | ||
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