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 Raise or slowplay?, John P. Enright, 28. Aug 2002 06:51 | ||
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| Raise or slowplay? The poker literature shows varying views of playing high pairs, hidden aces, split aces, and trips. The majority view says to raise to drive out those players whose weak hands may develop into successful draws if they are encouraged to draw too cheaply. Another camp says that we want their dead money in the pot while our high hands may even improve, so don't drive them out, keep them in. Yesterday I was cogitating on this problem while at the table. We do not want to raise in order to drive weak opponents out if some opponents with the stronger draw hands are encouraged by the enhanced pot odds to stay in anyway to draw for the enhanced pot. Raising may drive out the dead money opponents whose money we want in the pot, and at the same time make the pot odds more attractive for the potentially successful draw hands. Whose money do we want in the pot? Dead money of the weak players or lots of money from the opponents with strong draws, encouraged by the juicy pot odds? Hmmm? Those who favor raising, say that the odds favor the holders of high pairs, hidden aces, split aces, and trips against small numbers of players, whereas the odds shift against such hands if many opponents stay in the pot. So we perhaps should know our opponents at the table. Will they drop out on a raise or stay in the pot for the enhanced pot? Know thy opponents. "It depends." | ||
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| Re: Raise or slowplay?, Tim Ogilvie, 28. Aug 2002 07:17 | ||
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| See Tom Weiderman's note on Expected Return For "Made" Hands vs. Drawing Hands for a mathematical approach to this question. http://www.kimberg.com/poker/borg.html | ||
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| Re: Raise or slowplay?, mickblueeyes, 28. Aug 2002 07:40 | ||
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| I think Roy West's book addresses this issue well. And his most common answer is "It Depends" | ||
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| Re: Raise or slowplay?, John P. Enright, 1. Sep 2002 15:37 | ||
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| on 28. Aug 2002 07:17 Tim Ogilvie wrote: > See Tom Weiderman's note on Expected Return For "Made" Hands vs. Drawing Hands for a > mathematical approach to this question. > > http://www.kimberg.com/poker/borg.html > Wow!! Great stuff.!! Thankya mighty.!! | ||
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| Re: Raise or slowplay?, Roy Cooke, 28. Aug 2002 08:50 | ||
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| If I think I will get no action if I raise I will lean more toward slowplaying the hand. If I am in a game in which action is prevalent, I will raise! Roy Cooke on 28. Aug 2002 06:51 John P. Enright wrote: > Raise or slowplay? > > The poker literature shows varying views of playing high pairs, hidden aces, > split aces, and trips. The majority view says to raise to drive out those > players whose weak hands may develop into successful draws if they are > encouraged to draw too cheaply. Another camp says that we want their dead money > in the pot while our high hands may even improve, so don't drive them out, keep > them in. Yesterday I was cogitating on this problem while at the table. We do > not want to raise in order to drive weak opponents out if some opponents with > the stronger draw hands are encouraged by the enhanced pot odds to stay in > anyway to draw for the enhanced pot. Raising may drive out the dead money > opponents whose money we want in the pot, and at the same time make the pot odds > more attractive for the potentially successful draw hands. Whose money do we > want in the pot? Dead money of the weak players or lots of money from the > opponents with strong draws, encouraged by the juicy pot odds? Hmmm? > > Those who favor raising, say that the odds favor the holders of high pairs, > hidden aces, split aces, and trips against small numbers of players, whereas the > odds shift against such hands if many opponents stay in the pot. So we perhaps > should know our opponents at the table. Will they drop out on a raise or stay > in the pot for the enhanced pot? Know thy opponents. "It depends." > | ||
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| Re: Raise or slowplay?, John P. Enright, 31. Aug 2002 10:34 | ||
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| Roy Cooke comments on the raise versus slowplay question:-- >>> If I think I will get no action if I raise I will lean more toward slowplaying the hand. If I am in a game in which action is prevalent, I will raise! <<< At one LL Stud table at the Taj in the last few days, where the players check-check-check for free cards, I had a high hidden pair, and thought to slowplay to get some money in the pot, but as they all called my one buck bets, and I could see the pairs and draws developing in slow motion round after round before my eyes on my opponents' boards, I had to raise to get everybody out of there before my high pair became worthless. {wry smile} Sure a shame to to get such small pots for holding a great high pair. Have you ever noticed that if there is one flush out there in Stud, there may actually be two or three going at the same time? ha ha The second- and third-best flush holders sure get upset.! The Stud advice books should have an up-front chapter, or at at a minimum one page:-- "Don't fall in love with your own hand.! Look at your opponents' upcards.!" I should paste that inside the lid of my baseball cap.! ha ha Jack Enright | ||
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