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 short vs. 10 handed games, Mark, 25. Aug 2002 06:40 | ||
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| I've only been seriously playing poker a couple of months now, but I've noticed that my winning strongly depends on the number of players at a table. I win much more money at shorthanded tables (live, 4-8,5-10, and online,1-2,2-4). this trend is so strong that at 10/11 handed tables i'm approx. a break even player while i always win in short handed games. I try to play very tight aggressive. In fact I play so tight that the other players at my low-limit table usually recognize I play very tight (but it doesn't stop them from calling) If the others start folding into me, I can loosen up and steal a few pots, but this is rare. I play strong starting hands ( and recently bettered my post flop play) pay close attention to how others play, always try to put others on hands, and am starting to find tells. In short handed games I loosen up my starting requirements if i have an A or K, and loosen up my post flop play only after I've seen my opponents for a while. So why can I beat short handed games and not 10 handed games? Is there a fundamental stradegy I am lacking? All the books I've read tell me I should love short-handed games, and I do, but they also say I should be winning 10 handed games with the same tight-aggressive play, but I don't. Any thoughts/comments would be appreciated. | ||
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| Re: short vs. 10 handed games, Roy Cooke, 25. Aug 2002 11:03 | ||
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| Hi Mark Lots of players have this issue. Many top pros are "shorthanded specialists". Generally players who win short and struggle in ring games are too loose or aggressive in ring games. Roy Cooke on 25. Aug 2002 06:40 Mark wrote: > I've only been seriously playing poker a couple of months now, but I've noticed > that my winning strongly depends on the number of players at a table. I win > much more money at shorthanded tables (live, 4-8,5-10, and online,1-2,2-4). > > this trend is so strong that at 10/11 handed tables i'm approx. a break even > player while i always win in short handed games. > > I try to play very tight aggressive. In fact I play so tight that the other > players at my low-limit table usually recognize I play very tight (but it > doesn't stop them from calling) If the others start folding into me, I can > loosen up and steal a few pots, but this is rare. > > I play strong starting hands ( and recently bettered my post flop play) pay > close attention to how others play, always try to put others on hands, and am > starting to find tells. > > In short handed games I loosen up my starting requirements if i have an A or K, > and loosen up my post flop play only after I've seen my opponents for a while. > > So why can I beat short handed games and not 10 handed games? Is there a > fundamental stradegy I am lacking? All the books I've read tell me I should > love short-handed games, and I do, but they also say I should be winning 10 > handed games with the same tight-aggressive play, but I don't. > > Any thoughts/comments would be appreciated. | ||
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| Re: short vs. 10 handed games, Mark, 25. Aug 2002 11:29 | ||
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| on 25. Aug 2002 11:03 Roy Cooke wrote: > Hi Mark > > Lots of players have this issue. Many top pros are "shorthanded specialists". > Generally players who win short and struggle in ring games are too loose or > aggressive in ring games. > > Roy Cooke > > Thanks Roy I don't think I'm too loose, I definately throw away alot of hands. I've had to fold 20 hands in a row a few times. I have noted lately that most of the money I loose I loose with top pair/two pair by getting drawn out on. I play low-limit so many times people will stay in a hand with garbage, so when the turn and river both show a duece, someone will inevitably have 3 two's. How else can you play top pair but very aggressivly? Unless of course the board can make a flush or straight. I was playing middle pairs a little too aggressively and have calmed down with them. There are times when I know I can't be aggressive with top pair, pre-flop raises, possibilites of over-cards, etc. But I'm talking about the situations where I probably have the best of it on the flop. What about bottom 2 pair? When I have any 2 pair on the flop I am very aggressive. Please keep in mind the low-limit (no fold'em) factor. Thanks again for the advice. Its awsome to be able to talk to a pro! | ||
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| Re: short vs. 10 handed games, jim grass, 26. Aug 2002 04:58 | ||
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| What about bottom 2 pair? When I have any 2 pair on the flop I am very aggressive. It depends how many are in and the rank of those cards ..face cards create more of a decision then xxx flops..People just normally play higher rank cards..but also remember if you flop 2pr that are connected you might be in trouble later on the turn.. Theres much much more but you got a lot of experience to acquire and then things will make lots more sense instinctively.. You MUST study and have poker sense to become a winner long term.. jim | ||
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