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 The black jacks problem, catsclaw, 14. Aug 2002 19:56 | ||
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| This is generating lots of debate on two plus two: Playing 30-60 hold em against "decent" opposition you are dealt black jacks in the big blind: There is an early postion raise and you call in the big blind: There are six players in the pot. Flop is 9-8-6, with two hearts. David Sklansky wanted the posters to rate raise vs. call vs. fold. Then after lots of varying opinions, he then criticizes the posters for being confused. David's insults aside, I welcome your views. Flame away. | ||
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| Re: The black jacks problem--addendum, catsclaw, 14. Aug 2002 19:57 | ||
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| I forgot something: the small blind bets on the flop. | ||
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| Re: The black jacks problem, Roy Cooke, 15. Aug 2002 07:17 | ||
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| on 14. Aug 2002 19:56 catsclaw wrote: > This is generating lots of debate on two plus two: > > Playing 30-60 hold em against "decent" opposition you are dealt black jacks in > the big blind: There is an early postion raise and you call in the big blind: > There are six players in the pot. Flop is 9-8-6, > with two hearts. > > David Sklansky wanted the posters to rate raise vs. call vs. fold. Then after > lots of varying opinions, he then criticizes the posters for being confused. > > David's insults aside, I welcome your views. Flame away. Hello When the small blind bets the flop I am either folding or raising depending upon the texture of the bettor, the initial raiser and the remaining players in the game. The situation has to be stronly leaning in my favor to make a raise play. As a general rule I am folding this hand. By strongly in my favor I mean the bettor and the initial raiser must both be very likely to be weak. If the rest of the field is intimidated it would also help. Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: The black jacks problem, patrick dicaprio, 16. Aug 2002 05:39 | ||
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| given that if you raise it can be raised again, plus the fact that the early position player may already have you beat for most players this is a fold. at least it would be for me unless i had a great read on the players and knew i could manuever them, Pat | ||
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| Re: The black jacks problem, Eric Bush, 16. Aug 2002 07:56 | ||
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| on 14. Aug 2002 19:56 catsclaw wrote: > This is generating lots of debate on two plus two: > > Playing 30-60 hold em against "decent" opposition you are dealt black jacks in > the big blind: There is an early postion raise and you call in the big blind: > There are six players in the pot. Flop is 9-8-6, > with two hearts. > > David Sklansky wanted the posters to rate raise vs. call vs. fold. Then after > lots of varying opinions, he then criticizes the posters for being confused. > > David's insults aside, I welcome your views. Flame away. Not knowing the makeup of the players makes it difficult, but If I was the small blind with say, k-9 or A-9, and decided to call that single raise pre flop, the fact that the big blind only called makes me believe my top pair may be good, So bet. Given that, if I was the big blind I would raise at this point (to put pressure on the intial raiser). those Jacks may very well be the best hand at this point (and can be released if a re-raise comes in). Of course, if that intial raiser is almost definitely going to re-raise regardless, then you may not want to get tangled up here. If you can get it down to you and the small blind you then steal position. The turn card is now in your court. Of course, I can see the arguments for folding, particularly if the initial raiser won't fold to your two bets on the flop. You are very vulnerable. Let me add one more thing, the highest limit I have ever played is 20-40, so I can't really state that I understand the 30-60 game that well. I'm hoping it's not all that different. Maybe Roy could comment on that as well. Eric B. | ||
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