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 importance of table image, john stolzmann, 4. Aug 2002 22:49 | ||
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| this will be the third hand i have posted on the UPF in the third day since i found it--i have a lot of hands to write about as i havent had the luxury of a forum in quite some time! (i, too, have stopped posting on the rgp). hopefully i can both teach and learn from most of these posts. before i tell you all about this hand i'd like to thank mr. caro and mr. cooke (and all contributers) for making this a great forum. this hand happens to be in pot limit omaha high, and i win the hand...but i could have made much more if i had played correctly according to my table image. even if you don't play pot limit or omaha, learning to use your image to your advantage is a key element of poker. this hand was played about a month ago, so i won't give exact details as far as how much was bet, exact position, etc...however, i do know the players involved and how the hand played out. also, before i go any further i will say that this was only my second time ever playing pot limit, and omaha high is not exactly my specialty (it was a mixed game...half hold'em half omaha). this game had 5-10 blinds and played very big for that blind structure--i probably shouldnt have even been in the game but i am young and gutsy and sometimes downright foolish! here goes: i am in the big blind with As Kd Th 9d...not an absolutely premium hand, but a reasonable one. the UTG player who, despite being stuck 8000 in the game, is the chip leader makes it 40 to go--the maximum raise. this player has a lot of money and makes it known...he likes to build huge pots preflop so that he can intimidate his opposition with large bets postflop. he likes to steal a lot of pots and isnt afraid to make large bluffs, etc. a middle position player who is a world class player calls the 40. this is the one person i try to avoid, especially in possible headsup confrontations. the small blind calls as well...this player is also loose aggressive, and likes to buy pots. i call the 30. tne flop comes J42 rainbow--i have nothing. surprisingly, however, it is checked around. the turn comes the 8 of spades, making two spades on the board. i now have an open ender (only 8 outs, not a wrap) and i do have the A of spades as a bluff card if another spade comes. still, i check it as i dont feel comfortable essentially bluffing into 3 aggressive players... the pot is 160 and the rich aggressive opponent bets 150. surprisingly both of the other players call. i call, planning on making a big bluff if a spade hits and, of course, i have 6 outs to the absolute nuts. the pot is now about 800. the river is a "green" 7, giving me the nuts. the SB thinks as if he is pondering a bet and then checks. i can either bet, or check hoping for a checkraise. i made the absolute wrong decision for many reasons, which i will explain, and bet 500 dollars. i got no callers. my table image was as someone who "plays the nuts," especially in omaha which is not my strong game. i hadn't been caught bluffing yet, though i had made a few moves earlier with draws, etc. every time i bet and was called i was a winner. furthermore, my opponents knew that i was not a strong omaha player, and didnt have the experience to know where i was at in the hand in order to make a 500 dollar bluff in this spot. everyone had an easy muck. secondly, the player to my left would have likely made a large bluff at the pot, as this was his style. i never gave him a chance to do that. to make matters worse, the world class player had two tens in his hand, locking up two "nut outs." if the rich player had made a strong bluff, the player with two tens MIGHT have come over the top with a huge raise and i could have made up to 2000 more on the hand. instead i made zero. before making an important decision, always consider your table image. will you get paid off if you play straightforwardly and bet or do you need to finesse money out of your opponents? i think table image is even more important in pot limit than it is in limit, but it should be considered in either format. in this case i didn't take it into account and i paid the price...i won a small pot instead of a big one. to make a happy ending for the story i won 3200 for the night, and i will continue to learn pot limit and hopefully continue to be successful. thanks for listening, john stolzmann | ||
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| Re: importance of table image, Roy Cooke, 5. Aug 2002 06:31 | ||
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| Hi John I agree with everything you said. I see many players with the knowledge to make good decisions........yet they cannot at the table. it is important to relax and think through situations before concluding your decision. If you had done so in this case your bankroll would have been much healthier. Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: importance of table image, Sam, 5. Aug 2002 06:45 | ||
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| I would recommend Larry Phillip's book "Zen and the Art of Poker" for help with not getting emotionally involved with a game. | ||
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| Re: importance of table image, William Loughborough, 5. Aug 2002 06:54 | ||
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| Hindsight is 20/20. Love. | ||
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| Re: importance of table image, Roy Cooke, 5. Aug 2002 06:58 | ||
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| on 5. Aug 2002 06:54 William Loughborough wrote: > Hindsight is 20/20. > > Love. Not true....Lots of people can't even figure it out after the fact! Roy | ||
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| importance of table image, john stolzmann, 5. Aug 2002 14:44 | ||
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| in this case, you are right, hindsight IS 20/20. however, before the fact, if i had thought through the situation, i could have made the right play before the fact. maybe if i had checked no one would have bet, but they would have called a 500 dollar bet. then i would have made less by checking...however based on the players and my table image i still would have made the right play by going for the checkraise. john stolzmann | ||
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