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 Tough start for new young player..., Craig, 1. Aug 2002 15:47 | ||
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| I am a young player between the age 18-21 and have recently started to get into the game of poker (about 4-5 months now). I've read numerous material on odds, strategy, etc. At the table however, my knowledge seems to be of no use- as if my mind goes blank. Any tips for a new any young player with great interest in the game? | ||
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| Re: Tough start for new young player..., Mike Caro, 1. Aug 2002 16:03 | ||
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| on 1. Aug 2002 15:47 Craig wrote: > I am a young player between the age 18-21 and have recently started to get into > the game of poker (about 4-5 months now). I've read numerous material on odds, > strategy, etc. At the table however, my knowledge seems to be of no use- as if > my mind goes blank. Any tips for a new any young player with great interest in > the game? Hi, Craig -- You may have had enough life experience already to be able to handle a poker bankroll. But that would be unusual for most people your age. I know that I couldn't. The problem is, most young people need significant trial and error to even keep their financial situation stable and growing with a guaranteed, steady income. In poker, you can lose for months at a time -- and that's true even for a poker superstar. Most beginning players who want to do more than just play home games on Friday night will be tempted to spend too much of their bankrolls on luxury or unnecessarily, failing to anticipate the long unprofitable streaks that typically wait just around the corner. I think you have the right attitude. You're willing to study the game, because you know it can be beat, and you take it seriously. However, I wouldn't devote any significant money to it right now. And I recommend that anyone under 21 not even attempt poker for money -- and not just for legal reasons. And few people under about 25 should pursue poker professionally. It's just too disorienting at a time when you haven't developed a frame of reference for the way life and money works outside of poker. But, I wouldn't worry about your mind going blank. Most likely, you're tring to remember too many things at once. I teach that you should master poker by only concentrating on one or two things each session. Don't worry about the other things. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Tough start for new young player..., john stolzmann, 3. Aug 2002 02:16 | ||
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| And few people under about > 25 should pursue poker professionally. It's just too disorienting at a time when you > haven't developed a frame of reference for the way life and money works outside of > poker. > > Straight Flushes, > Mike Caro i am 20 years old and i currently play as a semi-pro during the summer when i am not at school. when i first started playing (after recieving a poker book for christmas upon request) i was lucky enough to have the support of my dad who bankrolled me when i started playing poker. he invested 2000 and i invested 1000 (he would assume 2/3 of the risk, but also took 2/3 of the profits. with a lot of luck--playing 8-16 and 15-30 on a 3000 bankroll requires this--i eventually built a large bankroll, and took on 50% of the risk, then 2/3, etc. in my first summer as a semi-pro, i have seen larger swings than i had expected--i had played only 450 hours prior to this summer and experienced overwheliming success (over a big bet per hour). though my summer attempt at playing professionally hasnt been a total failure, i made much less than expected (4800 so far in 460 hours) and experienced 3 seperate 5000+ downswings (playing 15-30 and 30-60 hold'em). i started the summer with a 12000 bankroll--any less would have been totally insufficient. i would agree that the majority of players under 25 should not consider playing professionally, especially if they are short bankrolled or fail to anticipate catastophic downswings (possibly much larger than 5000). emotional stability and discipline are also problems for young players, myself included. my biggest problem is still discipline--i think i am a good enough player to give away a bit preflop because i can outplay my opponents postflop, but i get carried away (J9s UTG, 77 against an early position raise, etc). i am learning. my advice to young players is to keep learning, stay disciplined, and always be objective about your strengths and weaknesses--part of this includes keeping records and always looking for holes in your game rather than blaming lady luck for poor results. if you do this and build your skill level you should be able to become a successful player regardless of age. john | ||
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| Re: Tough start for new young player..., Roy Cooke, 2. Aug 2002 06:25 | ||
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| on 1. Aug 2002 15:47 Craig wrote: > I am a young player between the age 18-21 and have recently started to get into > the game of poker (about 4-5 months now). I've read numerous material on odds, > strategy, etc. At the table however, my knowledge seems to be of no use- as if > my mind goes blank. Any tips for a new any young player with great interest in > the game? Hi Craig I think your mind goes blank because you feel uneasy at a poker game. Practice at limits you can afford (and beat). As you gain comfort, you will play better at higher limits. You might try relaxing techniques......breathing exercises....hot tubs......yoga.....or physical exercise before going in. Keep studying the game. And keep a high level of awareness at the game so you can learn feel. You seem like you are on the right track. I do not agree with Mike regarding age. At age 15 I was beating neighborhood cardrooms in Washington State...at 19 I was beating 10-20 and 15-30 games in Reno (they were considered good size games 25 years ago). As far as not understanding the value of a dollar at that age.....well, I spent most of the money I won in Reno at the Mustang Ranch...so it is not like I wasted any of it :-) Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: Tough start for new young player..., Sam, 2. Aug 2002 07:00 | ||
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| on 2. Aug 2002 06:25 Roy Cooke wrote: .....well, I spent most of the money I won in Reno at > the Mustang Ranch...so it is not like I wasted any of it :-) > > Roy Cooke Yee Haw! Best rental Ponies in Nevada! | ||
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| Re: Tough start for new young player..., uncanick, 2. Aug 2002 18:54 | ||
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| This sounds like a case of "FIELD SHOCK".Commonly occurs when academics are thrust into real world situations,unable to make full use of their knowledge and skills due a dramatic change of venue. Check the post from the player who is preparing for a first casino session.Note the concerns about table etiquitte,toking,buying in,etc.These are common to a new player in a public card room.They are also distractions which hinder your play. Consider using a few sessions to acclimate yourself to the environment.Fold almost everything and observe constantly.When you feel as comfortable at this table as you do at your home game,you are ready to play. | ||
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| Re: Tough start for new young player..., maymay, 5. Aug 2002 19:03 | ||
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| > Consider using a few sessions to acclimate yourself to the environment.Fold almost > everything and observe constantly.When you feel as comfortable at this table as you do at > your home game,you are ready to play. I like this suggestion immensely. Craig, I am a young player as well, and have only been seriously playing poker for a little under one year. I'm still too young to play in public casinos, so all of my table experience is at home games where the stakes are never more than 1-2 dollars, and the action is frequently 4 and 5-way postflop. (Unfortunately, I haven't found regular stud home games. By the way, if there are any in the NYC area, I'd appreciate any information someone could offer. Thanks!!) Anyway, brain freezes aren't something to be overly concerned about, IMHO. When you start out the simple immense amount of information out there can be overwhelming, and I agree with Mike that you may be trying to memorize too much. The information you'll use will have to become second nature to you if you are going to be a winning player, and for this to occur you simply need more than 5 months or even one year of playing experience. Keep studying, but don't forget to keep playing as well. You will never rememeber or assimilate any information if you don't apply it as well. Study, play, think, over and over again. (And don't forget to go easy on your brain every few weeks with a "vacation day.") Use online free games and/or poker software to create/practice situations you've read about. And as always, best of luck--that's always nice. :) -maymay | ||
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| Re: Tough start for new young player..., Sam, 6. Aug 2002 07:20 | ||
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| May, You're how old? This was a very good and very astute observation. Memorization will never make you a good poker player it has to become instinct almost. Took me 40 yrs to get that far with my thinking....I hate smart young kids....;o) on 5. Aug 2002 19:03 maymay wrote: > Craig, I am a young player as well, and have only been seriously playing >poker for a little under one year. I'm still too young to play in public >casinos, so all of my table experience is at home games where the >stakes are never more than 1-2 dollars, and the action is frequently 4 and >5-way postflop. Anyway, brain freezes aren't something to be overly >concerned about, IMHO. When you start out I agree with Mike that you >may be trying to memorize too much. The information you'll use will have >to become second nature to you if you are going to be a winning player, >and for this to occur you simply need more than 5 months or even one >year of playing experience. > Keep studying, but don't forget to keep playing as well. You will never >rememeber or assimilate any information if you don't apply it as well. >Study, play, think, over and over again. (And don't forget to go easy on your >brain every few weeks with a "vacation day.") | ||
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| Re: Tough start for new young player..., tyrant, 14. Sep 2002 15:58 | ||
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| May May.. email me for our home game.. we have a circle of about 16 guys that play occasionally thanks, jetgrate@aol.com | ||
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| Re: Tough start for new young player..., Craig, 5. Aug 2002 20:24 | ||
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| Thanks to all for your advice. I recently went to a home game that played several different games with many wild cards. Felt uncomfortable at first, but started to relax and just started to get used to the flow of the table and players. I didnt try to overextend myself by thinking too much and just tried to maximize my winnings when i had the best of it and minimize the losses when i had the worst of it. I threw in an occassional bluff to throw some of the better players off. But anyways, I came out a winner and felt better about my game. Keep up the good work guys and thanks again! | ||
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