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 Tournament rule against showing your hand, Mike Caro, 26. Jul 2002 13:08 | ||
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| In many poker tournaments, a recent rule addition makes it illegal to show your hand to an opponent heads-up. Previously, some players would take a risk by showing all or part of their hand to an opponent. I did this often. Sometimes I'd show a fairly weak hand and say, "Here's what I have. Bet if you have it beat." The reason I did this was so that I might get a more reliable tell on an opponent, if he decided to bluff. Of course, I risked getting bet into by a winning hand that wouldn't have bet otherwise -- and making a poor call. More often, I would show my hand AFTER an opponent bet. Then I would ask him whether he thought I should call with that hand. Again, this sometimes made it possible for me to read my opponent more clearly. Opponents knew for certain whether they had me beat, and this certainty meant tells were more reliable. I never showed a hand when there was more than one other player involved in the pot. Do you think that, in tournaments, showing a hand heads-up should be illegal? Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Tournament rule against showing your hand, Michael Wiesenberg, 26. Jul 2002 14:15 | ||
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| I think that when only two players are involved, showing all or part of your hand ought to be permitted. Tournaments are a test of poker skills. One poker skill is eliciting tells by saying what you have--another way to get disqualified in tournaments and another rule I am against--or showing. If you can do it in a live game, I don't see why you can't in a tournament. I'm more familiar with lowball, but in live lowball games, showing "scare cards" is very common. If I hold my five cards such that one or more opponents can see my door card, should I be given a penalty? A strict interpretation of the rule under discussion would give me the penalty. | ||
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| Re: Tournament rule against showing your hand, Roy Cooke, 26. Jul 2002 14:17 | ||
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| NO! I think inducing tells is part of the game. Some players seem to think that inducing tells is eqivelant to taking a shot. Is a head fake immoral in basketball? I utilize inducing tells all the time. Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: Tournament rule against showing your hand, Michael OMalley, 26. Jul 2002 14:30 | ||
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| on 26. Jul 2002 13:08 Mike Caro wrote: > Do you think that, in tournaments, showing a hand heads-up should be illegal? > I do think it should be illegal. Although I agree that it is part of the game, I also see the "angle" side of it. Aloowing this to happen open the door for a person to shoot an angle. If a rule can eliminate that possibilty then I think it is a good rule. > Straight Flushes, > Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Tournament rule against showing your hand, Nolan Dalla, 26. Jul 2002 15:23 | ||
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| This is one of those difficult questions for which both sides can make a convincing case. At one time (years ago), I was generally AGAINST any rule such as this which would limit a creative player to use all of the weapons in his poker arsenal. Certainly, "baiting" and "enducing" calls or folds is a big part of the game, and should be a encouraged as long as it does not lead to impropriety. However, this is just what has happened in tournament play in some situations, according to reports I have heard and some heresay. With so many players interconnected with financial interests in each other, the rule is NECESSARY to prohibit one player from passing along information to another which might give a third party an advantage (SCENARIO: Two players with a financial interest in each other get head up late in a tournament, and one shows the other a strong hand to induce a fold -- thus being unfair to the remaining players since they might have jumped up the oney later one notch had the player with the losing hand made the call.). In this case, I believe rules are necessary to police both blatant and indirect collusion. I vote in favor of the tournament rule. -- Nolan Dalla | ||
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| Re: Tournament rule against showing your hand, Bartholomew Simpson, 27. Jul 2002 17:20 | ||
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| Much as I dislike it, I have to agree with Nolan on his point. If everyone was aware of who had financial interests in whom, it MIGHT be a different story (at least others would know if two people with financial interests appeared to be colluding), but people don't know, and thus, I agree that is is necessary to not allow this information to be heard / seen. Good Luck, Bart | ||
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| Re: Tournament rule against showing your hand, William Loughborough, 30. Jul 2002 11:14 | ||
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| Do you think that, in tournaments, showing a hand heads-up should be illegal? I think tournaments should be illegal. Love. | ||
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