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 No-limit tells, Mike Caro, 26. Jul 2002 12:59 | ||
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| One of my favorite no-limit poker tells is a fumbled, but recovered bet. When a player spills chips when making a bet, it's what comes next that's important. If the player hurries to correct the mistake and put the chips back into a neater arrangement, that usually means a weak hand or a bluff. Why? It's because the player is worried that spilling the chips might have made you suspicious and more likely to call, and he wants to undo the damage. If, conversely, the player doesn't make any effort to correct the fumbled bet, that's probably a strong hand. While this tell is especially powerful in no-limit games, it applies to limit poker, too. What no-limit tells have you observed? Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: No-limit tells, Roy Cooke, 26. Jul 2002 14:18 | ||
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| Whenever they reraise all-in on me I am beat :-) Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: No-limit tells, Mike Caro, 26. Jul 2002 18:00 | ||
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| on 26. Jul 2002 14:18 Roy Cooke wrote: > Whenever they reraise all-in on me I am beat :-) > > Roy Cooke Roy, whenever I re-raise all-in against you, you are only beat if you fold. Remember that, please. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: No-limit tells, Michael OMalley, 26. Jul 2002 14:27 | ||
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| This is interesting. I have always thought the opposite of your assesment in limit games. If a player splashes his bet, I have noticed that they DONT reach for them to straighten them up if they are "weak". The reason I think is because they dont want to draw attention to the bet and leave it be. I do agree with this in No Limit. It also relates to counting down a stack. If a player starts to count down their bet immediately then they are "weak". | ||
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| Re: No-limit tells, Mike Caro, 26. Jul 2002 18:27 | ||
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| on 26. Jul 2002 14:27 Michael OMalley wrote: > This is interesting. I have always thought the opposite of your assesment in limit > games. If a player splashes his bet, I have noticed that they DONT reach for them to > straighten them up if they are "weak". The reason I think is because they dont want > to draw attention to the bet and leave it be. > I do agree with this in No Limit. It also relates to counting down a stack. If a > player starts to count down their bet immediately then they are "weak". Hi, Michael -- Actually, that's a good point, and I agree with you. This topic is still fresh in my mind, because I did a lecture on it two days ago. There are nuances I didn't cover in the post. While we agree that a player (especially in a limit game) might not bother to correct a fumbled bet for fear that the correction itself might seem suspicious, if he DOES bother to make the correction, that's very likely a sign of a weak hand or a bluff. One other thing I pointed out in the lecture was that there is a fumbled-bet tell that happens BEFORE the player has a chance to straighten out the chips. If the player is shaking noticeably and fumbles for that reason, that's consistent with the shaking-hand tell. (A shaking hand is almost always a release of tension that happens when a player connects. Bluffers usually bolster themselves and become rigid.) A bet can also be fumbled because a player's fingers are held too rigidly (often in attempt to make sure no nervousness is seen). If you see this type of fumble, it's more likely than usual to be a bluff, even if the player doesn't try to adjust the scattered chips. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: No-limit tells, Phat Mack, 1. Aug 2002 12:44 | ||
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| on 26. Jul 2002 14:27 Michael OMalley wrote: > . It also relates to counting down a stack. If a > player starts to count down their bet immediately then they are "weak". Counting down a stack is one of my favorite NL tells. If a player is obvious or threatening when counting me down, I put him on a weak hand... | ||
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| Re: No-limit tells, Dennis Shuflin, 27. Jul 2002 16:55 | ||
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| I have found that it's a rare person who can bluff for substantial amounts and maintain total composure. By preparing to call, or sweating someone by taking awhile to think about it, I have noticed that many people's breath becomes shallow and slightly speeded up. Engaging them in conversation can reveal fear too. Fear is difficult to hide when bluffing and hard to fake as a reverse tell. I first watch to see how they look with a winning hand, and the contrast is often pronounced. I haven't played no-limit at very high stakes, is the acting/bluffling much better than in the mid-range? Great site btw and best of luck, Dennis | ||
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| Re: No-limit tells, Mike Caro, 30. Jul 2002 20:52 | ||
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| on 27. Jul 2002 16:55 Dennis Shuflin wrote: > I have found that it's a rare person who can bluff for substantial amounts and > maintain total composure. By preparing to call, or sweating someone by taking awhile > to think about it, I have noticed that many people's breath becomes shallow and > slightly speeded up. Engaging them in conversation can reveal fear too. Fear is > difficult to hide when bluffing and hard to fake as a reverse tell. I first watch to > see how they look with a winning hand, and the contrast is often pronounced. > > I haven't played no-limit at very high stakes, is the acting/bluffling much better > than in the mid-range? > > Great site btw and best of luck, > > Dennis Hi, Dennis -- I believe your comment about taking time to see how a player who made a major bet (especially in no limit) reacts is excellent. And sometimes you MIGHT see a player breath more rapidly when bluffing. But, as a rule, rapid, natural, or comfortable breathing (any or all) are signs of a strong hand. Very frequently bluffers will try so hard not to provide any clues that would motivate your call that they scarcely breathe at all. Watch carefully and you'll see that this is true in general. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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